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Old 09-07-2012, 07:39 AM   #21 (permalink)
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anyone saying they are voting for Obama or Romney do you know what the NDAA is? Do you know about the the tax hike Obama has put onto every American(even more so if he or romney get into office) What about all the broken promises.. Like having a transparent presidency, closing gitmo, and bringing the troops home and not starting more wars.. I guess that is just all pushed to the side and Chairman Obama auto gets the vote from you guys, cause it seems like you guys worship the crowd he walks on.

I for one don't want a President who is supported by wall street(banks and corporations), a president who wants to increase spending, start more wars and supports the NDAA and Patriot Act. I want a president who will restore this country to the beliefs it was founded on and BO isn't the one to do so and never even came close.
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Obama is the lesser of 2 evils for me. Both are terrible choices imo, but I think Romney is very likely to do something disastrous if he gets elected.
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anyone saying they are voting for Obama or Romney do you know what the NDAA is? Do you know about the the tax hike Obama has put onto every American(even more so if he or romney get into office) What about all the broken promises.. Like having a transparent presidency, closing gitmo, and bringing the troops home and not starting more wars.. I guess that is just all pushed to the side and Chairman Obama auto gets the vote from you guys, cause it seems like you guys worship the crowd he walks on.

I for one don't want a President who is supported by wall street(banks and corporations), a president who wants to increase spending, start more wars and supports the NDAA and Patriot Act. I want a president who will restore this country to the beliefs it was founded on and BO isn't the one to do so and never even came close.
Romneys top donations all come from bankers. Do you really think he will do any of what you listed?
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anyone saying they are voting for Obama or Romney do you know what the NDAA is? Do you know about the the tax hike Obama has put onto every American(even more so if he or romney get into office) What about all the broken promises.. Like having a transparent presidency, closing gitmo, and bringing the troops home and not starting more wars.. I guess that is just all pushed to the side and Chairman Obama auto gets the vote from you guys, cause it seems like you guys worship the crowd he walks on.

I for one don't want a President who is supported by wall street(banks and corporations), a president who wants to increase spending, start more wars and supports the NDAA and Patriot Act. I want a president who will restore this country to the beliefs it was founded on and BO isn't the one to do so and never even came close.
Every President is supported by lobbyists, corporate America, and other special interest groups. There was an article that came out and said Obama has delivered on 1/3rd of his promises. What about the stuff he has done? Job growth has increased in 29 straight months, rescued the automobile industry, attempted to install universal health care, ending the wars in the Middle East, etc,. Look - it's fair to analyze a President, but look at everything in totality. Don't be so delusional and easily persuaded when you see a speech by either of the two parties to say with conviction "ROMNEY 2012" or "OBAMA 2012".

Increase spending? Please stop with that. His plan will cut the deficit by $4 trillion by 2020. Granted, Obama added nearly 5.5 trillion to the deficit in his first four years, but he's taking the measures to cut spending. If you thought Obama would restitute America back to colonial America or the days of the past, you were looking at something nobody else saw in him as a candidate. It's hard to pass bills when the Republican and Tea Party majority house and congress try to sabotage your final two years as President by refusing to work out a bi-partisan agreement.

And yes, I do see many faults in him, but you're incredibly ignorant, blind and wrong in your beliefs.
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jw what wars is Obama gonna start??
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Well lets see he promised he would not deploy any troops into any new armed conflicts and he sent troops into Libya, had a friend in the corps that went during the whole attack and just came home last month. Mind you its not what the media will declare as a war, but its the fact he sent troops into the country and backed Rebels that were supported by the Muslim Brotherhood. Then you can count Syria, as we have troops there now that are "supposedly" training rebels to fight. Now don't get me wrong, helping the rebels isn't a bad thing, due to whats going on there, but the fact that he said no new divisions would be deployed to armed conflicts is where there is an issue.

@MethHardy yeah I know that Romney's come from the bankers and corporations as well, but like I said as do Obamas. Anyone who is backed by those people should automatically be knocked out of consideration for running for office.


@El Conquistador First of let me poke some holes in your argument. Job Growth has only increased in a few places and second when you stop counting people who have been out of work for a long period of time, that isn't 'Job Growth" thats covering things up. (Don't believe me just go to the US Dept of Labor site to find that exact info.) The auto industry didn't need to be bailed out, just that simple. They were losing money for a reason and by bailing them out with tax payer money they will continue with the same business model they had and they will eventually run into the same problem again. If anything needed to be bailed out, why wasn't the airline industry bailed out in the months following 9/11 when half the industry took a huge nose dive and many companies filed for bankruptcy. I mean if you wanna say the auto bailout was necessary why not the airline bailout. Here is a little bit of info for you. Bailouts have been tried in the auto industry, and they don’t work. In the 1970s, Britain’s Leyland hit the skids, hurt by slipping quality in its vehicles and imports from Germany and Japan. Sound familiar? Leyland, which made MGs, Jaguars and mass-market cars, accounted for 36 percent of the UK market. So the government sunk in $16.5 billion to keep it afloat. The result? Unless you’re a car buff, you’ve probably never heard of Leyland, because it no longer exists.

Now you mention universal healthcare, oh boy that is just what we need. Force people to pay for something not everyone will use. I work my ass off day in and day out and don't have insurance, but i can sure as hell can pay for almost any medical emergency that comes up due to saving. Yes I understand that there are low income families that can't do it, but my tax dollars don't need to pay for them. The government if they want to do anything needs to cut regulations on insurance companies and let them go across state lines then things will become a hell of a lot cheaper. I have a friend who works regularly as a truck driver in 5 states(Florida, Michigan, New York, Illinois and Indiana) and due to government regulations he has to buy medical insurance from companies in each state inorder to continue to be able to work. He pays somewhere around 2200 a month for keeping insurance in each state and that is because of government regulations. Also do you realize that installing Universal Healthcare will cause the quality of our current system to go down. Why do you think people from Europe and Canada and other parts of the world come here. There are people in the UK who get diagnosed with say breast cancer and are told by the doctors there they have to wait such and such a period till they can get treatment, they can come here and get the same treatment within days and get the medication and they need to stay healthy.

Also the fact that they want to fine people who refuse to buy the Government healthcare is a farce. Now if some type of system does have to be put in place, then we need to take a look at the Japanese Healthcare system which is considered one of the top systems in the entire world. Here are some bullet points for you on why ObamaCare is bad.
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1. Adds more patients to Medicaid. Beginning in 2014, Obamacare dumps an additional 19.6 million Americans into Medicaid. On average, Medicaid physician payments are only 56 percent of what private insurance pays. Lower payment rates already discourage doctors from accepting Medicaid beneficiaries, which has lead to access issues and hospital emergency room overcrowding. As more patients enroll in this broken program, it will place even more financial strain on physicians who treat them. Doctors will be faced with the decision to either discontinue treating Medicaid patients or accept even more patients at the lower payment rate.

2. Leaves the flawed Medicare payment formula on the books. Every year, doctor payments face the threat of deep cuts due to the Sustainable Growth Rate formula, which governs the growth of Medicare physician payments from year to year. But it’s well known that such drastic provider payment cuts would harm seniors’ access to care, and Congress has passed a last minute “doc fix” each year since 2003 to avoid this. Still, an estimated payment reduction of 27 percent is scheduled to go into effect next year unless Congress passes another doc fix, which will cost an estimated $208 billion. This problem faces doctors and Congress every year, and Obamacare does nothing to solve it.

3. Creates a new board to further cut provider payments. Obamacare uses the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), a board of 15 unelected bureaucrats, to contain cost growth in Medicare by finding ways to cut spending to meet a new budget target. The board is limited in how it can achieve its goal, but one avenue definitely available is to further ratchet down provider payments. As IPAB cuts reimbursements, seniors will experience growing access problems as doctors discontinue seeing Medicare beneficiaries. If IPAB elects to limit seniors’ access to certain treatments and services—which is also within its abilities—patient choice and physician autonomy will also be sacrificed.

4. Exacerbates future physician shortage. America is projected to face a shortage of 91,500 doctors in 2020. Meanwhile, many surveys have concluded that American doctors have a negative view of Obamacare and its impact on the medical field. One survey found that Obamacare is motivating 43 percent of doctors to move up their retirement within the next five years. This will intensify the already existing doctor shortage.

5. Destroys the doctor-patient relationship. Obamacare’s massive amount of red tape and regulations will tear apart the doctor-patient relationship. Doctors will have to focus increasingly on government rules rather than the specific needs of their patients. Heritage’s Bob Moffit warns that Obamacare’s great expansion of government coverage will make physicians “increasingly dependent on unreliable government reimbursement for medical services.” In addition, Obamacare links payment for providers to adherence to government measurements of care. A recent doctor survey found that 67 percent of doctors surveyed said Obamacare would not improve the doctor-patient relationship.

Source- http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...er-for-america. There are links in each bullet poing on that website to prove each statement.
Now please tell me what Wars has Obama ended? He promised to bring the troops home and has yet to do so, plain and simple. He hasn't ended any wars in the middle east and the only troops that have come home are the ones that were already on a time table to come home before Obama took office and he is just taking credit for it, but thats not his fault, any president would do the same thing.

You say that Obama will cut the deficit by 4 trillion and thats all fine and dandy if he keeps his promise, but if he is elected for another 4 years his current spending plans will increase the debt by another 6.5 trillion dollars. Now if you add that up its 12 trillion dollars and even if you were cut that by 4 trillion that would still be 8 trillion that his presidency add and we will just give the future generation a bigger financial burden. Its time we stopped thinking about the short term economic solutions and started thinking about the long term and making this world a better place for our children. The useless spending needs to be cut and that would help a bug chunk of our debt, but Obama and the democrats and even most republicans now a days think that you can spend your way out of debt.

I never thought Obama would do any of those things and that is why I never voted for him in the first place and nor did I vote for McCain. Both parties have been putting up basically the same candidates that are in support of big government, more spending and increased dependency of the government. I am tired of it, the two party system that people believe that we have in this country is a farce. Both parties are 2 sides of the same coin and no one even bothers to look up what is actually going on and follows what they hear in the media and believe whatever.

Now yes it may be hard for Bills to be passed, but that didn't stop presidents in the past. Hell the NDAA was unanimously passed by both parties and then signed by Obama. Both parties block things when shit comes up from the other party 9 times out of 10 and try to make people fail. The same thing happened to Bush via the dems while he was in office. One time that both parties came together to block something was Obama's tax plan which was voted down by both parties. Now i'm not saying that they both vote for the best interests, they both vote for whatever will put the most money in their pockets.

Liberty needs to restored back to this country and the government needs to be decreased in size dramatically. Spending needs to be cut, the wars need to be ended, strong natural defense needs to be establish, the IRS and taxation needs to abolished and if we need a tax, then implement the Fair Tax or VAT Tax. Both of which will be better than the current taxation system. I went a little off topic there, but I got my point across. The only person that is running for office that should be voted for is Gary Johnson.

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I would vote for Johnson if I did vote. It might be "giving my vote away", but I'd rather do that than give my soul away by voting for the one of the two jokers I'm ~supposed~ to vote for.
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If I end up voting it'll be Gary Johnson. Yeah I know, it's pointless. So is voting Democrat/Republican and expecting things to change.
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Well lets see he promised he would not deploy any troops into any new armed conflicts and he sent troops into Libya, had a friend in the corps that went during the whole attack and just came home last month. Mind you its not what the media will declare as a war, but its the fact he sent troops into the country and backed Rebels that were supported by the Muslim Brotherhood. Then you can count Syria, as we have troops there now that are "supposedly" training rebels to fight. Now don't get me wrong, helping the rebels isn't a bad thing, due to whats going on there, but the fact that he said no new divisions would be deployed to armed conflicts is where there is an issue.

@MethHardy yeah I know that Romney's come from the bankers and corporations as well, but like I said as do Obamas. Anyone who is backed by those people should automatically be knocked out of consideration for running for office.


@El Conquistador First of let me poke some holes in your argument. Job Growth has only increased in a few places and second when you stop counting people who have been out of work for a long period of time, that isn't 'Job Growth" thats covering things up. (Don't believe me just go to the US Dept of Labor site to find that exact info.) The auto industry didn't need to be bailed out, just that simple. They were losing money for a reason and by bailing them out with tax payer money they will continue with the same business model they had and they will eventually run into the same problem again. If anything needed to be bailed out, why wasn't the airline industry bailed out in the months following 9/11 when half the industry took a huge nose dive and many companies filed for bankruptcy. I mean if you wanna say the auto bailout was necessary why not the airline bailout. Here is a little bit of info for you. Bailouts have been tried in the auto industry, and they don’t work. In the 1970s, Britain’s Leyland hit the skids, hurt by slipping quality in its vehicles and imports from Germany and Japan. Sound familiar? Leyland, which made MGs, Jaguars and mass-market cars, accounted for 36 percent of the UK market. So the government sunk in $16.5 billion to keep it afloat. The result? Unless you’re a car buff, you’ve probably never heard of Leyland, because it no longer exists.

Now you mention universal healthcare, oh boy that is just what we need. Force people to pay for something not everyone will use. I work my ass off day in and day out and don't have insurance, but i can sure as hell can pay for almost any medical emergency that comes up due to saving. Yes I understand that there are low income families that can't do it, but my tax dollars don't need to pay for them. The government if they want to do anything needs to cut regulations on insurance companies and let them go across state lines then things will become a hell of a lot cheaper. I have a friend who works regularly as a truck driver in 5 states(Florida, Michigan, New York, Illinois and Indiana) and due to government regulations he has to buy medical insurance from companies in each state inorder to continue to be able to work. He pays somewhere around 2200 a month for keeping insurance in each state and that is because of government regulations. Also do you realize that installing Universal Healthcare will cause the quality of our current system to go down. Why do you think people from Europe and Canada and other parts of the world come here. There are people in the UK who get diagnosed with say breast cancer and are told by the doctors there they have to wait such and such a period till they can get treatment, they can come here and get the same treatment within days and get the medication and they need to stay healthy.

Also the fact that they want to fine people who refuse to buy the Government healthcare is a farce. Now if some type of system does have to be put in place, then we need to take a look at the Japanese Healthcare system which is considered one of the top systems in the entire world. Here are some bullet points for you on why ObamaCare is bad.


Now please tell me what Wars has Obama ended? He promised to bring the troops home and has yet to do so, plain and simple. He hasn't ended any wars in the middle east and the only troops that have come home are the ones that were already on a time table to come home before Obama took office and he is just taking credit for it, but thats not his fault, any president would do the same thing.

You say that Obama will cut the deficit by 4 trillion and thats all fine and dandy if he keeps his promise, but if he is elected for another 4 years his current spending plans will increase the debt by another 6.5 trillion dollars. Now if you add that up its 12 trillion dollars and even if you were cut that by 4 trillion that would still be 8 trillion that his presidency add and we will just give the future generation a bigger financial burden. Its time we stopped thinking about the short term economic solutions and started thinking about the long term and making this world a better place for our children. The useless spending needs to be cut and that would help a bug chunk of our debt, but Obama and the democrats and even most republicans now a days think that you can spend your way out of debt.

I never thought Obama would do any of those things and that is why I never voted for him in the first place and nor did I vote for McCain. Both parties have been putting up basically the same candidates that are in support of big government, more spending and increased dependency of the government. I am tired of it, the two party system that people believe that we have in this country is a farce. Both parties are 2 sides of the same coin and no one even bothers to look up what is actually going on and follows what they hear in the media and believe whatever.

Now yes it may be hard for Bills to be passed, but that didn't stop presidents in the past. Hell the NDAA was unanimously passed by both parties and then signed by Obama. Both parties block things when shit comes up from the other party 9 times out of 10 and try to make people fail. The same thing happened to Bush via the dems while he was in office. One time that both parties came together to block something was Obama's tax plan which was voted down by both parties. Now i'm not saying that they both vote for the best interests, they both vote for whatever will put the most money in their pockets.

Liberty needs to restored back to this country and the government needs to be decreased in size dramatically. Spending needs to be cut, the wars need to be ended, strong natural defense needs to be establish, the IRS and taxation needs to abolished and if we need a tax, then implement the Fair Tax or VAT Tax. Both of which will be better than the current taxation system. I went a little off topic there, but I got my point across. The only person that is running for office that should be voted for is Gary Johnson.

You win the internet! And while voting for a 3rd party candidate is good in theory, they would never get elected. Big business, The Hollywood Elite and the News Media don't care about anyone except thier party, which is always the same two. Could a 3rd Party candidate help us; possibly, but since when has those 3 or the people already in charge care about helping us?
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