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View Poll Results: Who are YOU voting for?

Mitt Romney (R) 11 13.75%
Barack Obama (D) 59 73.75%
Gary Johnson (L) 10 12.50%
Jill Stein (G) 2 2.50%
The All Encompassing OTHER 4 5.00%
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Old 09-23-2012, 01:20 AM   #161 (permalink)
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I am not sure if you are well educated in what is currently going on...Syria is having a rebellion at the moment which is currently being backed up by America and NATO as a whole. The Syrian regime is recognized by Iran and Russia as a sovereign state. Russian leaders have repeatedly warned Obama that if America and NATO continue to support the rebellion, war is very likely. America and NATO still support the rebel forces in Syria. Now if that seems like our President is worried about going to war with Russia then I don't know what else would make it seem like he isn't.
i'm fully aware of the situation w/ Syria and Russia. however where has Obama openly blasted Russia or Putin? he's clearly not interested in it and has remained silent. meanwhile Romney openly blasted Putin and Russia. that's what i'd call antagonizing and asking for a war.

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Also I don't think either support capitalism or democracy. If by supporting capitalism you mean my statements of them being crony capitalists then I need to tell you that crony capitalism is the use of government agencies to support businesses to improve the economy.
yeah that's what i meant.

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Actual capitalism would be about free markets not favoritism and lobbying.
we're never going to have completely free markets in this country. so i'm not going to get into that. favoritism has been going on since the days of political bosses and that isn't going to change either. the same favoritism also goes on at local and state levels so local isn't the answer to all the problems either. as for the lobbying, corporatism needs to be done away with in my opinion, but again that's not going to happen in this country unless something is done about campaign contributions, period. it doesn't matter if both parties imploded tomorrow.

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As for democracy, I think my whole past few votes show that I don't think either is really democratic. Though if you mean me saying they want to spread democracy, then yes, I am not entirely sure that is their real goal. I think it is more likely they want allies in specific parts of the world to maintain control in those areas.
disagree with this. Obama clearly supported the freedom of democracy considering he supported these rebel groups overthrowing EXISTING allies. personally i think that was the wrong move though b/c it just created a power vacuum in the countries.

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I don't really think Obamacare is going to do what we are told it will do. If you looked at when it was passed, the people who supported it basically said it was just more money to special interest groups.
http://www.barackobama.com/health-care

i know you're cynical and will just write me off as a sheep for that but w.e

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I'm sure McCain would of coward under political pressure to remove some of the troops from Iraq, though that is one area where I see it possibly may have been worse under McCain.
i agree he would've probably pulled some too, but not the extent of Obama.

again i completely admit i'm voting for the lesser of two evils, but i refuse to believe that there isn't a lesser of two evils. if neither appeals to you that's fine, but to say they're the same is a big generalization.

i think the two party system is ruining American politics because it is TOO polarized. nothing gets done b/c politicians are too worried about the next primary and staying in office to ever cross the party lines. big business/special interests hold too much power and something should be done about it, but again there are still big enough differences between the two parties that i don't think you can really call the the same. you can say they're both shit and that's fine, but they're not the same.
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Old 09-23-2012, 01:22 AM   #162 (permalink)
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Also I should probably go ahead and say the reason I think troops were removed from Iraq was because they realized they couldn't stabilize Iraq the way the wanted so that they could get an power position in the Middle East so they left and will now try to destabilize Syria and Iran, either directly or as they are doing now in Syria, indirectly.

Edit: Also using the politician's website isn't really the best way to get the source of information on what Obama's health care bill will do...I prefer independent organizations information on everything. I don't even use our media, I usually use BBC and RussiaToday.
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Let's just get rid of Grover Norquist please. It's a step in the right direction.
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saw this the other day and lol'd
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Old 09-23-2012, 01:31 AM   #165 (permalink)
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obvi a closeted jihadist.
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Old 09-23-2012, 01:40 AM   #166 (permalink)
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i'm fully aware of the situation w/ Syria and Russia. however where has Obama openly blasted Russia or Putin? he's clearly not interested in it and has remained silent. meanwhile Romney openly blasted Putin and Russia. that's what i'd call antagonizing and asking for a war.
So you are aware of the weapons and mercenaries? I haven't seen anywhere where Obama has blasted Russia, but the fact that America pretty much is ignoring Russia's threats seems quite antagonizing to me and should concern any US citizen.

Sorry for hijacking the thread haha. Turn it back into an election thread please hehe. I sort of focused things on the Middle East (since I'm very concerned for Syria for many reasons at the moment). But yeah, if you want to try to convince me one way or another then you'll need independent research on the stuff. Though even then, then you'd have to convince me they are closer to my political views which are closer to communitarian and non-interventionist.
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:56 AM   #167 (permalink)
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right here big boy, fair warning though, its a bit of a read
It was indeed a delightful read, albeit pointless considering that nowhere in any of the articles did it mention anything pertaining to the government cost benefits to initiating a citizens healthcare. Maybe you thought that I'd just look at the massive wall of text, most of which is simply resources for about 8 to 10 short articles, and bounce out, conceding defeat like I had just gotten the score run up on me in a game of Madden?

Below, I've broken down my thoughts on each interesting article in the .pdf you posted. I am indeed glad that I read it.

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Healing in an Age of Homelessness
This section did open my eyes to the plight of many homeless people, about 1/5th of which are veterans of service to this country. As claimed in my posts in the Romney thread, anyone who has contributed to this country is deserving of healthcare should it be instituted; namely veterans. The government is still shitting on Vietnam veterans with neurological damage from Agent Orange and there is no excuse for this.

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Outpatient Commitment: A Treatment Tool for the Mentally Ill?
A story about a homeless, schizophrenic veteran in Cleveland. Nothing here to back up your claim

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A Mother and Infant with No Home
A story about a doctor's conflict of a homeless woman with a newborn. This has to do with low-income HUD housing more than government subsidized medical programs. Nothing here to back up your claim.

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Hospital Resources: A Practical Treatment Plan for Homeless Patients
A story about a drunk homeless guy who feigns illness to receive handouts via the hospital and abuses emergency assets like 911, leaving at least $1k in uncompensated care every time he does so. Maybe we should give everyone a place to live AND free Medicare? LMAO. It does go on to state the homeless alcoholics (can anyone tell me what is wrong with that statement?) in San Diego amass $17 million in uncompensated malingering claims a year. In Washington, 198 of the 130,000 adults that used said hospital accounted for 20% of the expenditure. It does not specify whether or not these people were homeless and it doesn't matter. If anything, 198 out of the 130,000 people using 20% of the government funding bodes ill to your claim. Do you think they'll stop when it's free for everyone? That is a fucking mind blowing number. Fucking insane. I tried to visit one of the links in the reference to this one, but alas, not valid.

DEFINITELY nothing to back up your claim. DEFINITELY nothing.

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Resources and Responsibility
This guy would fall under "had become too disabled to work" under my previous posts and would become afforded government assistance. However, another homeless alcoholic...what's the theme here again?

Everything from that point on is a doctor's ethics discussion between professionals. Nowhere in this "big boy" link did you provide anything to back up your claim that it would be more cost beneficial for the government to provide healthcare to all of its citizens. This was simply a medical journal issue about medical ethics, not generalizing all homeless people as abusers of the system and care for the homeless during sickness and after death.

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and criticism without action makes you just as responsible for america going doing the toilet as the men destroying. by withholding your right to choose, youre basically refusing to take responsibility, however marginal
Eh, I can kind of agree with you here. The type of action you are getting at will not change anything, however. It'll take hoards of violent, pissed off people going after the bureaucrats ala the French Revolution before we see a needed change in this country. Massive "peaceful protests" like the "OCCUPY" movement won't accomplish anything. I suppose that is not the type of activism you were hoping for?

And who said I'm withholding my right to choose?

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now i dont give two shits about america, for obvious reasons, but a lot of people would kill to have what you have. and they do. because however small the difference is, you can make it. , in a democracy your role as a patriot is to defend it by casting your vote or making your voice heard in a another way
THIS. Fucking this exactly. This is America. We are afforded many freedoms and this is indeed the land of opportunity. There is no excuse for people to abuse the system because THEY CAN MAKE IT, TOO. They just don't want to.

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This is pretty cool ~ http://www.ismittromneythepresident.com/
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Thought I might mention, I read up on some polls today, the PA one that has Obama up 9% surveyed 50% democrats and 37% republicans.

The one in Ohio with Obama up 5 surveyed 6% more democrats..

I could go on and on to be honest. Just read into the party registration to see if you trust a poll.
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Polls are a crock of shit. Carter was ahead in the polls in 1980 and Reagan ended up obliterating him.
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