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Nah they don't really have any more power than they used to have, it's just they count as people so can donate as much they want overtly to campaigns. This just further reinforces that the only candidates that can hold office are ones funded by corporations. This was always the case, it's just out in the open now.
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Michael Jackson Hoaxing his own death -

Now before you disagree with me hear me out.
I don't 100% believe in this, but that's why it's a conspiracy theory!
Yes I am a big fan and this isn't about not letting go, this is about following the strange happenings at events after his death.

I bet you guys are wondering, why would he fake his death?

Well it's simple, we all knew prior to his "death" that MJ was in a pretty bad financial situation (about $400,000 in debt) and he had no money to pay it off. So he faked his death to up his merchandise sales since they were at a all time low.

How did he do this?

Around the time of the London concerts, a MJ body-double died because of some illness and a lot of people believe that MJ paid the family if they allowed the dying body double to stay at MJ Mansion so that when he was about to die, the ambulance pick him up from MJ mansion thus people believing that it was MJ that was in the ambulance.


Coincidence or delibrate?

If you backmask his song "this is it" he actually explains that he hoaxed his death. check it out and it you don't believe the vids on youtube download the song and backmask it yourself.


Will he return?

At this stage I not sure because:

1. how would the public react?.... I think a lot of people could be angry with him
2. I also think he is doing a lot of behind the scenes work, Director etc....

Though I do remember him saying to his back up dancers at the end of the rehearsals, "we have 4 years to get this right" 4 YEARS? concert? or a death hoax?

If this is true then how awesome would a thriller 2.0 be!!!!!

Again this is just a theory!
What do you guys think?

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Prior to MJ's "death" we knew little about his kids, so maybe she took acting lessons?
She did say in a recent interview that she wanted to become an actress. If you re watch the memorial you can tell that she is trying real hard to cry and she quickly falls into Janet's arms because she couldn't cry anymore. I can go on all day and say all the clues etc..... There are just so many.

Also another reason why MJ would fake is death on top of the debt is to be loved again like he was back in the late 70s to early 90s. As soon as the molestation allegations started to come into play (which BTW were totally false, just a family trying to cash in on his earnings) he wasn't known as Michael Jackson the greatest entertainer on earth, sadly he was know by many as Michael Jackson the child abuser. If you notice now that a lot of people that called a freak etc... are now fans of his and his popularity has grown to the heights of when he was untouchable (mid 80s). Also people who thought he was guilty now think that he was innocent.

Again this is my opinion based on what I have seen and heard.
I have been following events and such from time to time and have come to the conclusion that these happenings are not a coincidence but clues put by MJ himself.

He once said he wants to "Captivate the world like no one else has" well Mr Jackson you certainly will.
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Ok, now Michael Jackson is still alive, even though it defies common sense, occams razor, and its really fricking difficult to figure out with ALL those variables. Yeah, a musician with barely an education and too stupid to manage his own money orchestrated one of the most elaborate complex schemes in history. Sure, now what? Is Tupac still alive? Elvis? Maybe Michael Jackson is part of the nwo, maybe he orchestrated his funeral to distract people from a certain notable event at the time. Maybe Michael Jackson died and implanted a secret message in the news coverage of his death and his newer selling music to release a hidden subliminal message that would lie dormant until 2012 when niburu comes close to earth, activating a psionic trigger in our mind to allow to be easier to control to survive the incident
I am actually glad you disagree with me because if everyone agreed on this board then it would really be a discussion board. Yes he might have not been able to manage his own money, but you can't tell me that other celebrities haven't been in some sort of debt before. Michael Jackson is a lot smarter than a lot of people think. The man single handedly revolutionized the music industry. He was the first black man to have a video clip shown on MTV. MJ is a creative genius. So if anyone is able to pull of such an elaborate hoax then it definitely would be Michael Jackson.

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400 grand is like chump change to a guy like michael

its not worth the effort, michael has a ton of assets, for gods sake This Is It made 260 million, and hell, even the concert if he had lived had projected revenues of 50 million pounds. like i said, the plan is too complicated, too many variables with a single thing going wrong, that body double story is unverifiable. and that backmask thing is just dumb.

the only possible reason he might have faked his death is that he's insane or a supervillain
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your post way above sounds reasonable

they arent as much 'conspiracy theories' as mostly common sense. there is a loss of freedom, the government being so fucked up. You could see that moderately obviously, what with the patriot act, all those internet acts, the growing power of the corporations
Indeed and exactly the point I was making. We the people should still do our duty and stand up to corruption. That's our role in society after all. It takes priority before anything else.

Also I believe America should wake up and start defending The Constitution before it get's completely destroyed (it's on a good way).

The Constitution is after is as worthy as people who are willing to stand up and defend it.

Yup and recently acts like NDAA and Crispa and SOPA and whatever the hell that is Big Brother they want to implement (and already have for the most part) sure make it look like America is heading towards a police state. Time to stand up for American people is today and not tomorrow.

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JFK's death is a bit weird, not sure if it's CIA like some say, but yeah
That JFK case sounds like CIA Black OP Division Mission to say the least.

CIA: Assassinate President of United States=Get Away With It.

Hence why those CIA guys don't sound like a good guys to me. Only makes me wish that, that division was never created. Now they can be as covert and above the law as they want and have the corrupted government's blessing to do whatever the hell they want. That is not good news for any country out there. Especially the ones that has to much of U.S interests in mind.


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Nah they don't really have any more power than they used to have, it's just they count as people so can donate as much they want overtly to campaigns. This just further reinforces that the only candidates that can hold office are ones funded by corporations. This was always the case, it's just out in the open now.
Yeah but them taking this out to the open doesn't signal as anything good does it now? The more they announce openly the worse it gets.

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400 grand is like chump change to a guy like michael

its not worth the effort, michael has a ton of assets, for gods sake This Is It made 260 million, and hell, even the concert if he had lived had projected revenues of 50 million pounds. like i said, the plan is too complicated, too many variables with a single thing going wrong, that body double story is unverifiable. and that backmask thing is just dumb.

the only possible reason he might have faked his death is that he's insane or a supervillain
Alright I was wrong about the debt reason but that isn't the main reason why he would fake his death.
The main reason why he would fake his death is to clear his name from the allegation that even though he was proven not guilty on all counts a lot of people still believed was guilty. A week after his "death" the boy who claimed that MJ sexually abused him admitted that he was forced by his father to lie and everything he said was totally false and MJ did nothing to him. A few days after that the father of the boy hung himself.
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My favorite subject on conspiracy theories is Marilyn Monroe.

It's a long read but it's a great one so if you have some time:

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Suicide


This is the official cause of death and probably the most widely believed. She had tried it four times previously and she clearly had significant mood swings.

The problem with this theory is that too many forensic facts are at odds with it, unless one can imagine Marilyn making up a barbiturate enema and administering it to herself. Quite a number of forensic experts have discarded the suicide theory as inconsistent with the facts.

Another problem with the suicide theory is that she was in good spirits at the time of her death and had been making plans for future events and movies, and if Spoto is correct, her remarriage to Joe DiMaggio.

Accident


If, in fact, Marilyn died from a rectally-administered barbiturate enema, the question is who prepared and administered it. It is not out of the realm of possibility that the overdose was accidental.

Spoto makes a very persuasive case for accidental death. Dr. Greenson had been working with Dr. Hyman Engelberg to wean Marilyn off Nembutal, substituting instead chloral hydrate to help her sleep. Milton Rudin claimed that Greenson said something very important the night of Marilyn's death: " God damn it! Hy gave her a prescription I didn't know about!"

Dr. Engelberg was having serious marital problems and obviously didn't communicate well with Greenson on Marilyn's prescriptions. Spoto suggests that Greenson would not have given Marilyn a heavy dose of chloral hydrate the evening of her death if he had realized that Marilyn had been taking Nembutal capsules throughout the day. Spoto further suggests that after an exhausting full day with Marilyn that he arranged for Marilyn to have a chloral hydrate enema so that she would sleep through the night.

Chloral hydrate significantly slows down the metabolism of Nembutal, but Greenson did not know that she had been taking Nembutal and Marilyn did not realize that Nembutal and chloral hydrate interacted adversely or she probably would have admitted to Greenson that she had taken Nembutals.

If Spoto's theory is correct, then who administered the enema? Spoto believes that it had to be Eunice Murray, who, like Greenson, had no inkling that the sedative enema would be fatal.

Any doctor might be loath to admit to himself or others that he had made such a significant mistake in such a high-profile patient, especially since Marilyn appeared drugged during the afternoon. Also, if Eunice was the person who administered the enema, it would be natural for her to try to protect herself and Dr. Greenson by pretending that no such procedure was given to Marilyn.

Murder


Everyone loves a conspiracy. It is so much more exciting than accidental death or suicide. The celebrity status of the main characters in this drama lends itself heavily towards the romance of conspiracy. Look at the cottage industry that John F. Kennedys assassination has generated.

Its important to distinguish the cover-up of embarrassing information by powerful people from the commitment of a crime to eliminate people who can potentially create embarrassment.

There are a number of credible people who claim that Marilyn Monroe had affairs with one or both Kennedy brothers. John Kennedy, at least, was known to indulge himself in extramarital adventures. So, it is not at all implausible that President Kennedy availed himself of the charms of one of the sexiest and most attractive women of that era. That Robert Kennedy was so inclined is not nearly as clear.

According to Peter Lawford, Marilyns unrealistic notions about becoming First Lady caused her to embarrass herself with both Kennedy brothers. Her letters and telephone calls to them had become both tiresome and very risky. It was one thing to cavort with anonymous girls, but quite another to be involved with a celebrity sex symbol like Marilyn Monroe. There was every good reason for JFK and RFK to break off the relationship with Marilyn permanently.

What allegedly became so troublesome was Marilyns supposed rage at JFKs rejection of her and the fear that she was able to strike in both brothers. Donald Wolfe sums it up: Marilyn Monroe was in a position to bring down the presidency. She was cognizant of Jack Kennedys marital infidelities and other private matters. She had his notes and letters and was privy to Kennedys involvement with Sam Giancana. That the Kennedy brothers had discussed national security matters with the film star added to an astonishing array of indiscretions.

It is not out of the realm of possibility that Robert Kennedy was the man appointed by his brother to deliver the rejection to Marilyn personally. Its not the kind of thing that one writes in a letter and its unlikely that JFK was anxious to deliver the message himself.

Did Robert Kennedy bring Marilyn the news of his brothers desire to break off his relationship on the night Marilyn died? After all, there are some witnesses, including a cop, who place Robert Kennedy near the scene that night. This information may never be known with any certainty, but if Robert Kennedy did somehow make an unannounced visit to Marilyn Monroe on the night of August 4, then it provides unexpected motivation for the suicide theory. That is, while Marilyn may have been in good spirits that day and evening, a visit by Robert Kennedy shattering her notions about an enduring relationship with JFK could have abruptly changed her mood.

Was there an attempt on the part of the government to cover up John Kennedys indiscretions with Marilyn Monroe? It would be very surprising indeed if there were not such an attempt.

The alleged cover-up was believed to have extended beyond the phone records and police evidence found at the scene. Shortly after his phone call to the Naars before 11 p.m. on the night of Marilyns death, it is believed that Peter Lawford and Pat Newcomb went to Marilyns house. Purportedly in a state of panic, Lawford called brother-in-law Bobby Kennedy and explained what had occurred.

However, destroying phone records and personal journals and scraps of paper are not in the same league with murder.

To suggest, as some authors, have that Robert Kennedy was somehow complicit in the murder of Marilyn Monroe is to be ignorant of the character and integrity of the Attorney General. While mystery surrounds the death of Marilyn Monroe, mystery does not shroud the character of Robert Kennedy. Robert Kennedy had a very fixed moral compass which was repeatedly documented in his crusade against organized crime.

Was Marilyn murdered by the Mafia, eager to avenge itself on the Kennedys for Roberts strike against them and expose the Kennedys philandering to the American public? The motive was probably there but with what is known about the individuals present in Marilyns home on the night of August 4, 1962, it makes a mob hit with a rectal enema seem a bit unlikely and almost absurd.

The actual events that surrounded Marilyns death will probably never be known. What was known for certain was that a living legend mysteriously died before her time, in a mist of confusion, scandal and uncertainty.

Following the autopsy, Marilyns body was released to her family. Marilyns mother, who was institutionalized, did not take custody of the body. Instead, Joe DiMaggio claimed her remains and arranged a small and quiet funeral for the woman he continued to love up until her death. Finally on August 8, 1962, she was laid to rest in Los Angeles Westwood Memorial Park in the Corridor of Memories. On that day, thousands lined the streets and grieved for their icon and the worlds movie legend, Marilyn Monroe.
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Alright I was wrong about the debt reason but that isn't the main reason why he would fake his death.
The main reason why he would fake his death is to clear his name from the allegation that even though he was proven not guilty on all counts a lot of people still believed was guilty. A week after his "death" the boy who claimed that MJ sexually abused him admitted that he was forced by his father to lie and everything he said was totally false and MJ did nothing to him. A few days after that the father of the boy hung himself.

Something tells me I need to stay as far away as I possibly can from this MJ theory.
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Something tells me I need to stay as far away as I possibly can from this MJ theory.
Believe me, there are so many more weird events surrounding his "death" that you just can't ignore.
That's why we call these conspiracy theories. There are things that are very strange but we can not be sure if true or not. The thing is though, we can't ignore these things.

Here is another theory on MJ faking his death:
This might sound strange at first but when you think about it, it's more than a coincidence.
MJ is still alive but performing under a different stage name. The stage name that he is currently performing under is Jason Malachi. If you type him up on google, every page refers him to MJ. on youtube listen to his songs and he sounds exactly like MJ. The only difference in the voice is that it has been manipulated to not give it away so easily. This Jason malachi released songs just a few months after the "death" of MJ.


Don't be fooled by the picture of Jason Malachi, these pics are just to swerve us from thinking it really is MJ.

Malachi = Michael with "E" missing
Jason = Jackson with "CK" missing


Here is one of his songs:




I could be completely wrong but this is what I and many others think.


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Believe me, there are so many more weird events surrounding his "death" that you just can't ignore.
That's why we call these conspiracy theories. There are things that are very strange but we can not be sure if true or not. The thing is though, we can't ignore these things.

Here is another theory on MJ faking his death:
This might sound strange at first but when you think about it, it's more than a coincidence.
MJ is still alive but performing under a different stage name. The stage name that he is currently performing under is Jason Malachi. If you type him up on google, every page refers him to MJ. on youtube listen to his songs and he sounds exactly like MJ. The only difference in the voice is that it has been manipulated to not give it away so easily. This Jason malachi released songs just a few months after the "death" of MJ.


Don't be fooled by the picture of Jason Malachi, these pics are just to swerve us from thinking it really is MJ.

Malachi = Michael with "E" missing
Jason = Jackson with "CK" missing


Here is one of his songs:




I could be completely wrong but this is what I and many others think.



Pretending that this dude is really MJ, this tweet is utterly hilarious (from Jason's twitter account, in which the guy seems really angry in most of his tweets):

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LOL CUZ YOU'VE BEEN DEAD THE PAST FEW YEARS, MJ
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