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C'mon in, political pundants of all assortments (invitation to all those who want to discuss - that includes you, Aussies and Brits). Talk about ideologies, parties, candidates, government, corruption, etc, etc,. This is not a thread to forcefully promote or attempt to disseminate your views onto someone else. If I have learned anything in life, there's two things that are NOT worth arguing (for obvious reasons):

1. religion
2. politics

Biggest news of 10/05/2011, besides the bereavement of Apple CEO Steve Jobs, is that Sarah Palin wont be seeking GOP candidacy.

The headliners for the Republican nomination seem to be: Mitt Romney and Rick Perry, with Romney by all accounts having a narrow lead after Perry's scrutiny recently at debates and straw polls.
 
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Near said:
Perry has dropped down to third, thank God; him and his, 'Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are a ponzi scheme' killed him.

I have a lot of problems with Obama now (ObamaCare is crap, his stimulus bill was a joke and I am not sure how the Jobs Bill will turn out after all the changes that will inevitably happen if it even goes through) but I rather him be in office for another four years than have a Republican Candidate that is highly influenced by the Tea Baggers in office.
If I was forced to vote for a Republican, I would reluctantly choose Perry but it is difficult to rally behind Republicans who have a false perception of reality for middle class Americans right now. Obama is not bad. Problem lies in his calm demeanor and his bipartison propoganda. He knows Congress is run by the Republicans now and was trying to appease them before all the liberals called him out on it. Now you have witnessed the president calling them (the Republicans) out at his conferences/speeches recently.

stevefox122 said:
I see no way this could go terribly terribly wrong
If it runs it course, it runs it course. The threads I have made that involved political legends and fables have garnered some interest. A meager amount (one or two threads maybe) have stretched 3-5 pages in length.



My fault. I remissfully forgot about our quiet neighbors to the north! That seems to be how things are here in America as well. People are fed up with politicians and are not as receptive as 08.
 
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Perry has dropped down to third, thank God; him and his, 'Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are a ponzi scheme' killed him.

I have a lot of problems with Obama now (ObamaCare is crap, his stimulus bill was a joke and I am not sure how the Jobs Bill will turn out after all the changes that will inevitably happen if it even goes through) but I rather him be in office for another four years than have a Republican Candidate that is highly influenced by the Tea Baggers in office.
 
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NearSamcro™;10414267 said:
I may have came off as a bit bold, but I don't hold the opinion that Obama is bad, but I just have a few issues. Nonetheless, I do like a lot of things he has done or attempted to do.

Obama is an amazing talker, that got me to vote for him in '08, not to mention I didn't like the opposition. I consider myself a Conservative-Democrat; I agree with both parties on certain issues;
It's all gravy. Anytime your slogan is "change we can believe in" you have to up the anty. Obama has not done so yet. It was a bit of a provocative campaign message but it was effective. I have some issues that I would like ironed out, too. I want him to figure out Guantanamo Bay and charge these terrorists federally with capital murder instead of allowing torturous activities down there, I would certainly like the troops removed to the extent that Ron Paul suggests, and I certainly want to see the economy turned around.

One thing working for him is he still has a vision and I don't think any candidate is as innovative as he can be.

NearSamcro™;10414280 said:
As posted above me: over exposure and not to mention she basically played suicide with her polices the last time around and for her to turn it around wouldn't float well.
That too. Inconsistency can getcha'.
 
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It's all gravy. Anytime your slogan is "change we can believe in" you have to up the anty. Obama has not done so yet. It was a bit of a provocative campaign message but it was effective. I have some issues that I would like ironed out, too. I want him to figure out Guantanamo Bay and charge these terrorists federally with capital murder instead of allowing torturous activities down there, I would certainly like the troops removed to the extent that Ron Paul suggests, and I certainly want to see the economy turned around.

One thing working for him is he still has a vision and I don't think any candidate is as innovative as he can be.
I think during that time everyone just loved hearing the word "change" and hearing the potential goodness that will come if Obama became president. At that point, the majority was in no way shape or form going to side with the Republicans. Isn't there some sort of plan in the works to keep troops in Afghanistan until 2024?
 
#17 ·
I am a moderate who shares views with both Republican and Democrats.

I am anti-abortion, I am pro-bracketed taxes, I am pro high military-spending, I would like to see universal healthcare... that's all off the top of my head. I'd have to look at a chart to see more issues.

I do not vote, for I believe that most (not all) politicians are nothing but criminals who steal from the average American. They abuse their power, and use it to leverage for their own good. i don't think all are this way, but it truly seems like most are. I would like to trust them, but as of now, I cannot.

I don't really pay attention to the Presidential candidates too closely. I will follow the main headlines, and try to watch the debates. But that's about it.

As of now, looks like Mitt Romney will be the guy to represent the Pubs in the election.
 
#20 ·
Universal health offers a service for a wider range of people but lower the quality of care (like it are not the salary is big attraction to the medical field)

People dislike the public education let alone matter of life or death

I currently am having surgery on my legs to fix overly tight tendons and very flat feet (I have pain when I walk)

My insurance covers most of the procedure but not being "vital" I doubt public health care would and I would most likely just be given a basic brace (I may be wrong)
 
#21 ·
The quality of care isn't lower, it is still expected to be high quality otherwise you can sue, the wait and line ups at hospitals are just much bigger and more time consuming.

If a doctor says it is necessary I'm sure that you would get the surgery with universal health care.

That's probably the biggest reason why Mikey, a sad truth.
 
#22 ·
Rrrrthgh boring....so...God Damn BORING~

Once again, the false dichotomy that governs political discourse results in some inane piffle about the `power` of our truthfully pious leaders.

Honestly, I mean... what is wrong with you people! Do you bleating jackasses believe that these jackals in some faucet, in some listless hearing, actually care about you?

Ben Bernanke's vote counts for more than you, or any senator's vote.

This dreadful cacophony of speculative emptiness makes me want to go shoot up a school full of babies. Let's be realistic with ourselves, this preening tactfulness won't last a day. I like it rough, let's get rough!

Bring it on, you Assyrian flavored nationalists. I'm waiting right here, with my ass over a barrel, waiting to be pulverized!

Here are some thoughts:

-Terrorism is not limited to starving Yemenis who tire of Western Internationalism.

-"Protection" has become an Orwellian contradiction.

-A populace more in tune gawking like chimpanzees over the personal lives of famous persons has no credibility in intellectual matters. Panem Et Circenses, indeed.



Discuss. But please do your best to detach yourself from the stinking orthodoxies that contend for your souls.
 
#24 ·
Obama had a news conference on the Jobs Act. The US Senate will vote on it next week.

Obama: "It will boost economic growth; it will put people back to work."
Obama: "Middle class families need help right now."
Obama: "This Jobs bill will cut taxes for every small business in America."
Obama: "We've got millions of construction workers who are laid off that can innovate our infrastructure."
Obama: "Wealthy Americans need to chip in and pay their fair share."

President Obama speaks about putting teachers, firefighters, and cops back to work. Sights a teacher in Boston by the name of Robert, who has two decades of teaching experience and a Master's degree, get laid off because of budget cuts. Also, the president talks about the danger in spending wrecklessly and vows he is working to fix it.
 
#30 ·
I guess this thread is just to voice our political opinions? I'm down...

Personally, I view myself as a Libertarian. I believe the Federal Government should be limited in their actions, and liberty and freedom are essential to a functional society. I believe in the constitution is above all other laws in America, something those in Washington have forgotten. Specifically, I believe we should slowly start to dismantle the Federal Reserve, and many federal bureaucracies. I'm strongly against our current foreign policy. We should be practicing a non-interventionist strategy, that we had in the early 1900s. Think about how long it took us to enter WWII. Then, think about our current policy, and how quickly we would enter such a war, or start such a war for that matter. Our goal as a country should be limiting governments role in business, as it is the reason for the drastic income differences between the classes. The government should be limited to ruling on cases of fraud and ensuring private property rights. Matters of pollution should be handled in the courts, rather than by over funded bureaucracies. These are just some of my beliefs, don't really feel like ranting about it all day lol
 
#31 ·
I think it encompasses all things politics. Not just opinions.


CNN was on TV today during work. The President(I think) of the Tea Party gave an interview. She spoke of the candidates, and said that the TP isn't ready to endorse anyone. However, she did mention Hermain Cain's name.

Hmm. I always thought he was a joke. Kinda like Al Sharpton. Guess not?
 
#32 ·
He's black so they have to name drop him or be called racists, which they are. It's the same reason Steele was the RNC Chairman/Spokesperson. That guy was funny. I miss him.

Do people really think the Tea Party is a separate entity from the Republican Party? It's just an illusion of a third party.
 
#34 ·
The Tea Party isn't necessarily part of the Republican Party but it's far right views do coincide with the rightists in the Republican Party. They are supporters of the military industrial complex which is why the Koch Brothers love giving them a lot of money. It's pretty much a sub group sewn to the side of the Republican Party. Not grassroots at all.
 
#35 ·
That's what it has become, but when Ron Paul started in in 07, it was actually in favor of ending all post-911 wars. The republican party has sort of hijacked the Tea Party into making it into some sort of sub party, but at the start the Tea Party was fairly different.
 
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