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Old 02-12-2013, 06:09 PM   #3091 (permalink)
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I'm not even sure what you're arguing or why you felt obligated to quote my post and say I was renouncing the use of supplements. Are you insinuating that I told RKO that posting makes him more knowledgeable? Or that I think posting myself makes me a beacon of knowledge? I don't get where you're going with this.
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Old 02-12-2013, 06:23 PM   #3092 (permalink)
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It doesn't make anyone less smart, it just makes them blind. Instead of examining the proper procedures, they're fixated on "you have any gains with product X". Hard to be less smart when you're not applying yourself to become more knowledgeable in the first place, despite three notable posters (i$e, Rush, HoH mainly) who continuously contribute on this same topic regularly. I'm not bashing supplements or anyone who explores them. Some stuff is anecdotally proven to aid in one's quest. But for those who stall (fall into the money pit without expanding their base of knowledge) and don't search deeper for the answers, I have no sympathy - and that's what I'm trying to convey.

I'm more or less knocking his approach to weight loss. But then again, I don't really know why I'm passionately speaking out on it. I should just ignore those who overlook some good, pertinent information.
I have knowledge in all of this. I started 200 pounds of fat and turned it to 180 LB's of muscle. Obviously I know what I am doing. I have had success changing my diet a swell as incorporating certain supplements into my daily routine. While bulking I take up your mass to help me gain muscle mass, whey protein after my workouts to repair my muscle tissue, amino acid during my workouts to keep my self going, and now oxy elite to burn some extra Fat while adding in cardio and being strict on my diet. I wouldn't take certain supps if I didn't look them up and know their effects.
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I'm not even sure what you're arguing or why you felt obligated to quote my post and say I was renouncing the use of supplements. Are you insinuating that I told RKO that posting makes him more knowledgeable? Or that I think posting myself makes me a beacon of knowledge? I don't get where you're going with this.
So why would you renounce his approach to weight loss? Did you automatically assume that he was hoping for a magic pill and wasn't planning to bust his ass? Why would you knock his approach if it involved supplementing hard work?

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Are you insinuating that I told RKO that posting makes him more knowledgeable? Or that I think posting myself makes me a beacon of knowledge? I don't get where you're going with this.
No, I didn't insinuate anything.

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Hard to be less smart when you're not applying yourself to become more knowledgeable in the first place, despite three notable posters (i$e, Rush, HoH mainly) who continuously contribute on this same topic regularly.
What would make these posters "notable"? Have you seen their physiques? Have you raced them? Or do they post on this forum?

I don't get why you all responded the way you did to him inquiring about weight loss supplement usage. You pretty much called him lazy by claiming that people who ask for a supplement review "stall and fail to look further and gain a deeper knowledge" because he asked me if I saw results from a supplement he was interested in. You did not delve into whether or not he's been busting his ass and needs a boost or plans to bust his ass and just use this as boost during the initial phase.

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Old 02-12-2013, 06:31 PM   #3094 (permalink)
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What would make these posters "notable"?
Our posts are always right on the money.

For what it's worth, there isn't some 'us vs you' divide here, but alarm bells start ringing when people are asking about cycling supps to fucking lose 10lb.
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Old 02-12-2013, 06:43 PM   #3095 (permalink)
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I have knowledge in all of this. I started 200 pounds of fat and turned it to 180 LB's of muscle. Obviously I know what I am doing. I have had success changing my diet a swell as incorporating certain supplements into my daily routine. While bulking I take up your mass to help me gain muscle mass, whey protein after my workouts to repair my muscle tissue, amino acid during my workouts to keep my self going, and now oxy elite to burn some extra Fat while adding in cardio and being strict on my diet. I wouldn't take certain supps if I didn't look them up and know their effects.
I'm not doubting your hard work or willingness to do it. I think you're missing the bigger picture here. A lot of the stuff you're doing is counterintuitive and less efficient. Why take a mass gainer when you're cutting? Do you know what the point of that is? Do you know your macros? Do you know your maintenance level? Do you get the bigger picture? Ultimately, how do you lose weight? What is your ideology behind cutting out carbs completely?

That's all I'm really pointing out. Examine things. Research. Does that mean my way of dieting is better? To me - sure. To you - perhaps not. We can agree to disagree. But these guys have made great information accessible and I think you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least LOOK at it. You continue to talk over it and ignore it.

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So why would you renounce his approach to weight loss? Did you automatically assume that he was hoping for a magic pill and wasn't planning to bust his ass? Why would you knock his approach if it involved supplementing hard work?


No, I didn't insinuate anything.

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What would make these posters "notable"? Have you seen their physiques? Have you raced them? Or do they post on this forum?

I don't get why you all responded the way you did to him inquiring about weight loss supplement usage. You pretty much called him lazy by claiming that people who ask for a supplement review "stall and fail to look further and gain a deeper knowledge" because he asked me if I saw results from a supplement he was interested in. You did not delve into whether or not he's been busting his ass and needs a boost or plans to bust his ass and just use this as boost during the initial phase.
I wasn't renouncing supplements, though. You're missing the point. I know Rush has studied material at university. I know i$e from another forum, where we have talked about training a little bit more in depth. From my experience not only them, but recomping and shedding weight myself, I agree with their methodology. Is any of it less sound than taking a mass gainer while cutting? Does that not seem counterintuitive?

I was never trying to make this into a i$e/Rush thing vs. you two and I'm not sure why you took it that way. For that, I apologize. My whole point is he's been experimenting with working out and nutrition principals for some time in here (which we encourage, please keep posting - that's what the thread is for). Yet he seems every bit as aimless as he was. Not aimless as in he doesn't know what his goals are, but aimless in the sense that he's going through any type of motions to fulfill them, without really grasping what it is he is doing.
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I stopped the mass gainer today. It just ran out. I start Oxy Elite and cutting tomorrow. I reached a weight plateau. What I was doing, obviously worked for losing weight, but lately I have stayed at 180.
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Old 02-12-2013, 06:59 PM   #3097 (permalink)
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Our posts are always right on the money.
It's not difficult when half the time it is "eat less/more and do compound lifts". That's good, basic advice and really hard to miss the mark.

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For what it's worth, there isn't some 'us vs you' divide here, but alarm bells start ringing when people are asking about cycling supps to fucking lose 10lb.
Maybe it's a stubborn 10 pounds that he's been trying to lose for a while? Maybe he's at a plateau and through trial and error, nothing has worked? What then. Eat less than he's already been eating at the sake of mass? LOL. No thanks, Jeff.

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I know Rush has studied material at university
This is nothing against you Rush, but studying material at a University doesn't mean shit.

There are people with degrees in areas of fitness that have 6 inch wrists and bitch tits, can't run a mile or put up 1k raw in the big 3. I'm sure Rush had a few of these in his class. I don't have a fitness degree and can run a mile in sub 6:30 and have put up 1k raw a year ago although I probably couldn't do it right now. I've seen certified personal trainers do some really stupid shit and would be more inclined to take advice from someone who looks like they lift compared to a string bean with a degree for the sake of them having studied from a book.

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From my experience not only them, but recomping and shedding weight myself, I agree with their methodology. Is any of it less sound than taking a mass gainer while cutting? Does that not seem counterintuitive?
I do, too. But I'm not going to sit back and say that supplementing it wouldn't help. Where exactly did he say he was going to take Up Your Mass with OxyElitePro? I missed that one...

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Nah, I think this whole thing is a misunderstanding. No apology needed from anyone.

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Yet he seems every bit as aimless as he was. Not aimless as in he doesn't know what his goals are, but aimless in the sense that he's going through any type of motions to fulfill them, without really grasping what it is he is doing.
Based on wanting to take a supplement to aid in weight loss after an obvious bulking phase?
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It had nothing to do with the supplements. That wasn't the original point to begin with.
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This is nothing against you Rush, but studying material at a University doesn't mean shit.
I don't say it does.

My degree is in exercise physiology which means i'm great with chronically injured clients, have a good rappore with all my clients but i find it much much harder to motivate and get results out of a healthy person. For more in depth questions on nutrition i'd refer them elsewhere seeing as its not a subject i'm overly knowledgable about.

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There are people with degrees in areas of fitness that have 6 inch wrists and bitch tits, can't run a mile or put up 1k raw in the big 3. I'm sure Rush had a few of these in his class. I don't have a fitness degree and can run a mile in sub 6:30 and have put up 1k raw a year ago although I probably couldn't do it right now. I've seen certified personal trainers do some really stupid shit and would be more inclined to take advice from someone who looks like they lift compared to a string bean with a degree for the sake of them having studied from a book.
Absolutely. Having said that though, just because someone can lift, or run, or look huge doesn't mean they're great on giving advice. I wasn't the biggest, the best runner, the strongest etc in my course but i knew why i was training, i knew what i wanted to get out of it, i knew about proper form and i knew about motivating someone. Some of the blokes with the best physiques dropped out early or failed a ton of subjects because they're fucking retarded. Its a bit of a lottery getting advice from people at the gym, can be excellent and practical advice or it can be a load of broscience.

I hate so many personal trainers. I cringe when i'm at the gym and i see some of these idiots training someone. Poor form, dumb exercises, inappropriate exercises etc. Its just bad. None of them has any idea about ROM or changes associated with age at all. I've seen a few trainers trying to get older clients to use the lat pulldown machine when they clearly don't have the range of movement in their shoulders to perform the exercise with proper form.

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I'll never understand the hate for supplements. No one has said that they "need" them to do anything. Supplements are going to do just that: supplement your gains or losses. It doesn't make anyone less smart or have any less understanding of general fitness because they choose to take a bottle of OxyElitePro. That mentality only applies to people who think that they can train and eat like idiots and take a pill and things will be alright. There is no substitute for hard work and if you choose to supplement your hard work, more power to you.
Didn't say it did. I wasn't having a go atRKO, just used OxyElitePro as an example. The general gist and tone of his posts in here lately have all been about supplements, rather than ways of getting over a plateau so it raises a few alarm bells.
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