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Old 05-28-2011, 02:46 PM   #1551 (permalink)
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I, for one, never really understood the whole phobia of eating after a certain time at night. It's a ridiculous notion, for so many reasons.
That's what years of broscience does.

It's a pretty reliable constant that I'll hear four or five different myths in a given week when it comes to this stuff. These are people who think they know what they're talking about because some meathead in the gym told them. In fact, I still have friends who think that eating 6 times a day is better than 3, or that too much of a certain food makes you fat.

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Old 05-28-2011, 03:38 PM   #1552 (permalink)
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That's what years of broscience does.

It's a pretty reliable constant that I'll hear four or five different myths in a given week when it comes to this stuff. These are people who think they know what they're talking about because some meathead in the gym told them. In fact, I still have friends who think that eating 6 times a day is better than 3, or that too much of a certain food makes you fat.

Calorie is king.
6 smaller meals spread throughout the day is much better than 3. My metabolism would be shot if I tried going on three meals a day again. You shouldn't go long amounts of time without eating unless you're sleeping. Your digestive system slows way down, so it's good to have casein protein right before you go to sleep.
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6 smaller meals spread throughout the day is much better than 3. My metabolism would be shot if I tried going on three meals a day again. You shouldn't go long amounts of time without eating unless you're sleeping.
Myth.
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Old 05-28-2011, 05:38 PM   #1554 (permalink)
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My routine is always like this...

Monday- Chest, Triceps & Abs
Tuesday- Upper Back, Lower Back & Biceps
Wednesday- Legs & Abs
Thursday- Light Chest, Triceps & Light Lower Back
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I use to be in great shape until I got jumped one day on my way to school. I suffered a fractured jaw and a knee injury both which required surgery. With my jaw fractured I wasn't allowed to eat solid food for six weeks and I went down to from 200lbs to 150lb. (I'm 5'10). I survived mostly on liquids and Ensure. Obviously after being allowed to eat again I packed up some weight. However, I really started packing up some weight fast because my metabolism went crazy and the fact that my knee hadn't recover really added more to that. I actually weighted 210 pounds in just two months after I was allowed to eat solid food again. It was rather depressing to be honest but once my knee got into decent shape I started working out again and now I'm down to 175 which is an ideal weight from someone my height. My diet has contributed to my success a lot but I wasn't on a extreme diet either. I just cut back on sugars and junk food, ate more lean meats and egg whites and made sure that I didn't eat after 7PM at least.
That's quite the workout listed above. My only activity is running besides the odd bit of soccer skills for a laugh.

I'm running six times a week at the moment with 2 hard race pace sessions, 1 long run of around 90 minutes, 1 easy run and 2 steady runs. I'm probably a shade under ten stone. Luckily you can afford to digest 60+ jaffa cakes a week when you're vegetarian. I eat whatever and whenever I want - I knew some club-mates once who wouldn't spread anything on their toast but I think life's too short for that bollocks.
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In no way is it a myth. You eat three big meals you're overloading in nutrients and your body's storing the extra calories as fat. You eat three small meals and you're going to send your body into starvation mode. It's not a known fact that 6 meals a day positively effects your metabolism, but it's a solid theory.

It goes hand in hand with your results. 5-6 meals is optimal for your metabolism because it takes around 2 hours to digest each meal which burns more fat and amino acids last around 3 hours in the bloodstream before going into the body/being used as energy.

The main benefit to eating 5-6 meals a day is to better stabilize blood sugar levels/prevent hunger. When your glycogen levels go down your body has to find alternate energy to use (at times muscle.) If you think you'll keep the same metabolic rate from eating 3 meals a few times compared to 6 you're crazy.

You might not be catabolic if you go 5-6 hours without eating, but you're headed towards that direction and you're becoming less and less anabolic the longer you go without eating...

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In fact, I still have friends who think that eating 6 times a day is better than 3, or that too much of a certain food makes you fat.

Calorie is king.
Both of these are true. They may not be true for you yet, but they are general truths. Consult any nutritionalist.
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In no way is it a myth.
It is.

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You eat three big meals you're overloading in nutrients and your body's storing the extra calories as fat.
Incorrect. Fat only gets stored if there is a surplus of NET calories. If my maintenance for any given day is 2000 calories, then I could eat 2000 in one meal and I wouldn't gain any fat at all (providing I don't eat again that day). It's obviously not smart, but it highlights the basic flaw in your thinking. The body does not simply take it's required nutrients from a meal and store the rest as fat. Calorie is king.

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You eat three small meals and you're going to send your body into starvation mode. It's not a known fact that 6 meals a day positively effects your metabolism, but it's a solid theory.
Who said anything about three small meals? The point is that you can get your daily caloric intake through whatever is convenient for you. It makes no different if that's through 3 large meals or 6 small meals. I personally do around 5-6 because it's easier for me; certainly not because it has any effect on my metabolism (it doesn't).

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5-6 meals is optimal for your metabolism because it takes around 2 hours to digest each meal which burns more fat and amino acids last around 3 hours in the bloodstream before going into the body/being used as energy.
See above. Eating 6 small meals has no metabolic benefits over eating 3 larger meals on any given day. Studies can be provided if you still wish to disagree.

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The main benefit to eating 5-6 meals a day is to better stabilize blood sugar levels/prevent hunger.
The blood sugar level notion is a contentious point. I won't disagree with it because I'm in no position to. With regards to hunger, I agree. That's why I eat smaller and more often. I just recognize it's not going to boost my metabolism.

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When your glycogen levels go down your body has to find alternate energy to use (at times muscle.)
You think that eating three square meals a day crashes your glycogen so much that its gonna start eating away muscle? Come on, man.

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If you think you'll keep the same metabolic rate from eating 3 meals a few times compared to 6 you're crazy.
I might be crazy, but I'd be right.

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You might not be catabolic if you go 5-6 hours without eating, but you're headed towards that direction and you're becoming less and less anabolic the longer you go without eating...
You talk like I'm on about eating three meals consisting of a few grapes and a piece of toast. Everything I say revolves around caloric intake and the breakdown of macros to reach whichever goal we're trying to hit. Also, I'm presuming we're talking about this in the context that we're training with heavy weights.

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Both of these are true. They may not be true for you yet, but they are general truths. Consult any nutritionalist.
Incorrect. First point has been discussed at length if we're talking about metabolic rates. Refer to SS's post above for more about the relationship of calories & fat/weight gain/loss. Oh, and It's nutritionist.

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Incorrect. First point has been discussed at length if we're talking about metabolic rates. Refer to SS's post above for more about the relationship of calories & fat/weight gain/loss. Oh, and It's nutritionist.
So it is. Quoted from your post:

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Fat only gets stored if there is a surplus of NET calories. If my maintenance for any given day is 2000 calories, then I could eat 2000 in one meal and I wouldn't gain any fat at all (providing I don't eat again that day). It's obviously not smart, but it highlights the basic flaw in your thinking. The body does not simply take it's required nutrients from a meal and store the rest as fat.
This thought is linear and only looks to work in theory. It is not practical unless you're using an energy meter as opposed to a digestive system. You are working off the assumption that the body's homeostasis is divided into 24 hour intervals. It is not unless you've been religiously following a routine of eating one meal of 2000 calories daily. The point is not to toss the 3 meals a day routine into the burner, but to affirm that a 5-6 meal frequency will help the body adapt to its nutritional needs faster than a 3 or 1 meal per day would.
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Yeah, it was never supposed to be a practical solution, which I highlighted. It was to show the relationship between caloric maintenance level & the non-issue of meal frequency/size with regards to fat gain/loss. Damn, proponents of the Warrior Diet would argue that one large meal gets the job done!

There are benefits of eating small and often, just as there are benefits to eating large and less frequently. The results will be the same if we train hard and rest well (and hit our macros/calories etc obv).

I just want to stress again that I never said that eating 3 times is better than 6. I'm saying that it doesn't matter. I eat 6, but I could happily go back to eating 3 and achieve my goals. The benefits of 6 are clear, but that's because it aids people in being able to have more manipulation of their macros (and stave off hunger) and not because it offers us any kind of metabolic boosts. It's all just a matter of calories in/calories out.

I don't want some heated, sarcastic argument, btw. I hope we can all benefit.
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