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post #1421 of 4926 (permalink) Old 03-18-2011, 11:50 AM
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I think you can bulk, and lose fat, yes.
You can for a few months when you first start training. After that, trying to bulk and cut at the same time is just treading water.

My view is also the one shared by the vast, vast majority of body-builders, trainers & nutritionists too.

I'd like to know your scientific reasoning behind your opinion, so I can understand your perspective more.

Don't take this as an attack either; I'm just discussing.

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Re: Workout/Staying in Shape Thread

You can burn fat and gain lean mass if:

1) You're starting out.
2) You're resuming training after a hiatus.
3) You have a very high BF%, in which case the body will naturally burn fat during training to increase chances of survival.

Additionally, you can achieve both at a very slow rate but a single cycle of bulking and cutting will pretty much triple those results in the same duration. So trying to lose fat while gaining muscle is actually slower.

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Re: Workout/Staying in Shape Thread

For the record, I never act as if I have a sense of entitlement, at least I don't try. Correct me if I am wrong but I think I have been fair since the inception of this thread to everyone. Rajah, Rush, HoH, and I have had a handful of debates, respectful conversations, etc,.

Secondly, your training numbers were brought up because you were boasting about how strong you were and you said you resemble a poor man's "Taz". I asked for proof on virtue of the fact that you said something along the lines of you being able to squat 400, bench 350, and some other jazz. Not to test your credibility or embarrass you, just out of curiosity.

I politely asked after saying your claims were utterly sensationalized by you "do you find anything in your argument contradicting"? Instead of answering in a civilized manner you said "LOL @ YOU, LOLOLOL if you think that". I will debate, provide some insight, and occasionally be deemed wrong. When you resort to childish antics like that, I can not be damned to dignify you with a response and reply like i$e, HoH, and Rush all have.

Fact of the matter is you were wrong and condescending, that's it. Afterwards you became very bitter.


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Re: Workout/Staying in Shape Thread

In regards to me "boasting," I actually recall admitting to sounding like a jerkoff and apologizing. I don't see you in here asking anyone else for "video proof" so I reacted accordingly.

My only problem was you looking down on my advice without even attempting to prove it wrong. That's all.
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Bro science? Not really familiar with that expression.

I'm speaking from my experience and what has worked for me and plenty of others.

It's pretty common knowledge that you have to eat frequently and consume an adequate amount of calories if you'd like to burn fat and add mass.
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What, burning fat and building muscle at the same time?

LOL if you think that's impossible.
My only problem was that whole little kid, "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude. I would have elaborated but in cases like these, I refuse to.

I wasn't holding a grudge but since you apparently have been, you have made yourself out as a fool. Congratulations. Relax next time. Don't take everything so personally.


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Re: Workout/Staying in Shape Thread

It's not as if you were exactly approaching me with respectful intentions yourself. First thing I recall you doing was labeling my logic as "bro science."
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It's not as if you were exactly approaching me with respectful intentions yourself. First thing I recall you doing was labeling my logic as "bro science."
Sheik:

what you were claiming was false. Your advice was misleading. You were wrong. This thread is transparent in the sense that it's here as a forum to discuss the science of working out and everything else that goes along with it.

The advice you were offering led myself (as well as others) to believe you weren't qualified to offer anything remotely close to useful advice.

Do you want me to go in depth on why you were wrong? i$e and Hohenheim already expounded upon the reasoning but I can if you're that butt-hurt or upset. I would much rather drop it and move on. I'll leave you the option.


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Re: Workout/Staying in Shape Thread

Sheik, just asking, but what type of work out do you actually do.

I got this MMA workout pack that came with a DVD, resistance bands/belt plus a jump rope/ resistance band combo. this workout is legit. it's not that the exercises themselves are hard but the amount your doing makes it a killer workout for me. Also taught me a couple new variations to sit ups and push ups that i've never tried.

Also got these Ab straps that hook up to my pull up bar,so i'll be able to do some more intense ab work.


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You can burn fat and gain lean mass if:

1) You're starting out.
2) You're resuming training after a hiatus.
3) You have a very high BF%, in which case the body will naturally burn fat during training to increase chances of survival.

Additionally, you can achieve both at a very slow rate but a single cycle of bulking and cutting will pretty much triple those results in the same duration. So trying to lose fat while gaining muscle is actually slower.
better to do both at the saem time at a slower rate, than the other two
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