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Old 12-24-2010, 01:10 AM   #1221 (permalink)
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Keto diets do not use your stored fats as an energy source. You cannot burn fat without carbohydrates. Keto diets use free fatty acids and also the breakdown of amino acids through gluconeogensis to fuel the brain. However they're not nearly as effective thus your brain function is impared, ph of your blood increase, cholesterol increases, kidney stones form etc etc. its great for bodybuilders, completely useless in this case.

You know why the keto diet was created? to treat epilepsy. Thats the function of a ketone diet, to reduce the overactive brain function associated with epilepsy. Any normal person just stacks on any weight they've lost on the diet straight back on when they eat properly.
keto is low carb, not no carb. classic keto has very less carbs, but there are other modifications with added carbs. yea it was created for epilepsy but now is widely used for weight loss, not exclusive to bodybuilders. it will cause some problems at the beginning and thats why many quit but after sometime the body will get used to it. and again like i said its not for long term. after keto you will gain some water weight not fat. ofcourse if one goes back to eating carelessly not watching total calories intake you will gain fat. you could still gain fat in keto if you're in calories surplus.

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Old 12-24-2010, 01:40 AM   #1222 (permalink)
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I need some exercises I can do in a very tiny space with maybe a few dumbbells. I'm starting to get a pug gut.
I don't really leave my house or my room so I can't run around or go lift weights. Any ideas?
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keto is low carb, not no carb. classic keto has very less carbs, but there are other modifications with added carbs. yea it was created for epilepsy but now is widely used for weight loss, not exclusive to bodybuilders.
anyone who uses it who isn't suffering from epilepsy or is looking to shed weight before a competition is an idiot.

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it will cause some problems at the beginning and thats why many quit but after sometime the body will get used to it. and again like i said its not for long term.
both those sentences contradict one another.

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after keto you will gain some water weight not fat.
because you are losing water mass from being glycogen depleted. Carbohydrates stored in the form of glycogen are heavily hydrated. When you eat less carbs you have less glycogen (energy) and therefore lose weight through the dehydration due to not carrying the water in storing the glycogen in your muscles and liver.

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ofcourse if one goes back to eating carelessly not watching total calories intake you will gain fat. you could still gain fat in keto if you're in calories surplus.
thats true for any diet or any eating plan.
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Old 12-24-2010, 12:31 PM   #1224 (permalink)
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anyone who uses it who isn't suffering from epilepsy or is looking to shed weight before a competition is an idiot.



both those sentences contradict one another.



because you are losing water mass from being glycogen depleted. Carbohydrates stored in the form of glycogen are heavily hydrated. When you eat less carbs you have less glycogen (energy) and therefore lose weight through the dehydration due to not carrying the water in storing the glycogen in your muscles and liver.



thats true for any diet or any eating plan.
there is no glycogen depletion on keto diet, though there is usually a short period of adjustment usually less than a week where you're losing water weight. but then your body will get used to the diet and protein can be converted to glucose.

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there is a glycogen depletion. that week, thats your body depleting itsself of glycogen and the water associated with storing it. protein to glucose is just an inefficient way to fuel your body.

this argument has got so far off the original point
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there is a glycogen depletion. that week, thats your body depleting itsself of glycogen and the water associated with storing it. protein to glucose is just an inefficient way to fuel your body.

this argument has got so far off the original point
your original point was excess protein will turn to fat which is not true. if you're on a calorie deficit u wont be gaining fat no matter how much protein is in your diet.

about keto its a popular form of diet for weight loss and there have been many losing weight with it. your claim of it only being water weight is simple not true

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When glycogen stores are not available in the cells, fat (triacylglycerol) is cleaved to give 3 fatty acid chains and 1 glycerol molecule in a process called lipolysis. Most of the body is able to utilize fatty acids as an alternative source of energy in a process called beta-oxidation. One of the products of beta-oxidation is acetyl-CoA, which can be further used in the Krebs cycle. During prolonged fasting or starvation, acetyl-CoA in the liver is used to produce ketone bodies instead, leading to a state of ketosis.
During starvation or a long physical training session, the body starts utilizing fatty acids instead of glucose. The brain cannot use long-chain fatty acids for energy because only medium-chain fatty acids (which are scarce in most foods) can cross the blood-brain barrier.[1] However, the ketone bodies produced in the liver can cross the blood-brain barrier. In the brain, these ketone bodies are then incorporated into acetyl-CoA and used in the Krebs cycle.

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no the original point was giving advice to the bloke who asked. excess protein in a normal diet will cause fat gain. end of. keto diets are not normal, they're not advisable and are certainly not healthy.

notice how they keep using terms in that blurb you just posted about starvation? its because you're not eating the right nutrients and you're starving yourself.
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no the original point was giving advice to the bloke who asked. excess protein in a normal diet will cause fat gain. end of. keto diets are not normal, they're not advisable and are certainly not healthy.

notice how they keep using terms in that blurb you just posted about starvation? its because you're not eating the right nutrients and you're starving yourself.
by starvation it obviously meant starving your body of carbs

im taking excess protein and im not gaining any fat. gaining or losing weight depends on total calories ur taking. having more protein in your normal diet is fine. if you did more research you would know.
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No duh, calorie deficit wouldn't cause fat gain. But eating a high protein diet and thereby sacrificing carbohydrates and fats isn't the optimum way to create that calorie deficit. It will cause all sorts of problems. Your brain will starve b/c it takes more time for fuel to reach there. You'll get hypoglycemic, stay tired all the time etc..

Why did you bring up a ketogenic diet? Using such a diet for fat loss is very, VERY ill-advised.
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No duh, calorie deficit wouldn't cause fat gain. But eating a high protein diet and thereby sacrificing carbohydrates and fats isn't the optimum way to create that calorie deficit. It will cause all sorts of problems. Your brain will starve b/c it takes more time for fuel to reach there. You'll get hypoglycemic, stay tired all the time etc..

Why did you bring up a ketogenic diet? Using such a diet for fat loss is very, VERY ill-advised.
that dude was talking about taking protein shake after training and u were scaring him off saying it will turn into fat lol. a little increase of protein in your diet isnt going to cause any problem.
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