[King Kenny]

so yeah, got a program made up for me today to tailor my goals/wants of weight loss (primary goal) and muscle building. this is just a startup, because im a beginner.

Treadmill for 5 minutes
Seated Row (12-15 reps, 3 sets)
Chest Press (12-15 reps, 3 sets)
shoulder press (12-15 reps, 3 sets)
hammer curl (12-15 reps, 3 sets)
bench dip (12-15 reps, 3 sets)
smith squat or alternate squat exercise (12-15 reps, 3 sets)
leg extension (12-15 reps, 3 sets)
oblique twist (10-12 reps, 2 sets)
MB crunch level 2 (10-12 reps, 2 sets)

[Rush]

Originally Posted by rawesjericho

any excess calories will turn into fat. as long as your total calories are not high its alrite to have high protein diet

now you're just talking out of your ass. excess protein will turn into fat regardless of what else your diet consists of. high protein diets are terrible.

[Rush]

Originally Posted by WutChagoNAdoBrothA

agree with this.
You need your protein to help build muscle and recover.
The more muscle you have , the more calories you burn at rest.
You are going to lose some muscle cutting so you want to minimize it.
Just eat clean , get your macros and create a calorie deficit each day and you'll lose weight.
Also drink lots of watch and drink and get in a good bit of fiber.

You want to cut down into a body with lean muscle , not into a flag pole

you should be able to get enough protien from your diet. obviously if you can't work out your diet correctly to incorporate enough protein then a protein shake after a workout helps but honestly its just a waste imo.

[Hohenheim of Light]

Protein shakes aren't meal substitutes. They're supplements. You don't need to supply your body with excess energy when you're cutting.

[rawesjericho]

Originally Posted by Sticksy

now you're just talking out of your ass. excess protein will turn into fat regardless of what else your diet consists of. high protein diets are terrible.

seems like you dont know anything about nutrition. carbs, protein and even fats are used for energy first before they get stored. if you are eating less carbs then your body will use fats and proteins as your energy source. calorie deficit will cause you to lose weight regardless of how much protein is in your diet.
look for keto diet, high fat and protein is a well known diet plan to lose fat. i have abs and i have high protein diet with no problem.

[Rush]

you don't burn fats without carbohydrates Secondly, i hope you realise the adverse effects of a keto diet? for one, your cholesterol is probably through the roof.

[rawesjericho]

Originally Posted by Sticksy

you don't burn fats without carbohydrates Secondly, i hope you realise the adverse effects of a keto diet? for one, your cholesterol is probably through the roof.

its not for long term. keto diet for certain time to lose weight isnt going to do any harm.

anyways u were saying excess protein will turn into fat regardless of what else is in the diet. success of keto diet proves u didnt know what u were talking about

[Rush]

a keto diet will primarily dehydrates the body so while you lose weight, fat loss isn't great. In this guys case, fat loss is his primary concern atm, as he is looking to cut down on fat then bulk for an entire season of rugby (long term goal). Keto diets also generally just fuck around with your kidneys. The fact that you'd advocate it for a bloke who isn't a full on gym junkie and wants to cut and then bulk for rugby is asinine.

[rawesjericho]

Originally Posted by Sticksy

a keto diet will primarily dehydrates the body so while you lose weight, fat loss isn't great. In this guys case, fat loss is his primary concern atm, as he is looking to cut down on fat then bulk for an entire season of rugby (long term goal). Keto diets also generally just fuck around with your kidneys. The fact that you'd advocate it for a bloke who isn't a full on gym junkie and wants to cut and then bulk for rugby is asinine.

well keto causes your body to use stored fat as primary energy source so no its not dehydration weight loss.
and i wasnt telling him to go on a keto diet. i just brought it up as an example because of your claim of excess protein turning into fat.
like i said calorie deficit will cause you to lose weight. so having little more protein in your diet as long as total calories count isnt above your maintenance will help u lose weight

[Rush]

Keto diets do not use your stored fats as an energy source. You cannot burn fat without carbohydrates. Keto diets use free fatty acids and also the breakdown of amino acids through gluconeogensis to fuel the brain. However they're not nearly as effective thus your brain function is impared, ph of your blood increase, cholesterol increases, kidney stones form etc etc. its great for bodybuilders, completely useless in this case.

You know why the keto diet was created? to treat epilepsy. Thats the function of a ketone diet, to reduce the overactive brain function associated with epilepsy. Any normal person just stacks on any weight they've lost on the diet straight back on when they eat properly.