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#1 · (Edited)
Just thoughts in general? Personally I understand and respect people's reasoning for being vegan, even though I would never be one myself. I've met a lot of awesome vegans, who love to share about their lifestyle choice and are willing to have some great discourse on the subject, and of course the snobby ones who act like you're the scum of the earth for eating meat. But I guess those types of snobs are in every group.

Do you guys think veganism will ever be the norm one day? At least in the western world? Could you be vegan yourself if you had to be by law?

Just want to get a discussion going.

Edit: Whoops posted this is in the wrong section. Can one of the mods move it to the Anything section?
 
#31 ·
For the record, there are a couple of guy code violations I can point out in that cartoon. :)

I have no problem with adding more vegetables to my diet as I do want to eat healthier. However, you have to make sure you have some protein to your diet, and such options are quite limited if meat is not involved.

Not to mention, for those that are very environmentally friendly, people might not realize that if everyone goes to a vegan diet that it can be very destructive to the environment. For example...from a caloric intake...you have a kilogram of beef (about 2300 calories). Replacing that with a kilogram of broccoli doesn't work as that only has about 340 calories. You basically are looking at having to use almost 7 kilos of broccoli. That will put a massive stress on resources such as water.

https://qz.com/749443/being-vegan-isnt-as-environmentally-friendly-as-you-think/
 
#2 ·
It has a lot of benefits and I'd like to try it, but it's hard after years of being a meat eater. I would have to find tasty, and affordable meat substitutes. The hardest thing is dealing with friends and family I would think. It'd be awkward being at a holiday dinner and having to refuse a lot of the food.

Veganism is one of those things I think would be easier to transition to if other people in your life were doing it to, like a vegan girlfriend for example. It's always easier doing a life style change with someone else helping and supporting you

Stuck up vegans can go fuck themselves, as can every other type of person who judges and looks down on others for their life choices. I understand people going vegan because they are animal lovers, but the self righteous attitude is ridiculous especially when you consider that animals themselves are mostly carnivores. You want to talk about animal cruelty? Watch a lion take down a gazelle and rip its guts out and eat it alive.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Vegetarian/vegan diet is not as healthy as they say. It causes nutrient deficiencies and vegans should eat supplements to eliminate those deficiencies. Pregnant women should not be on a vegan diet, because it is dangerous for the baby.

And no. It will NEVER be the norm in the western culture. Doctors would never support it.
 
#18 · (Edited)
I'm not giving up bacon, steak, lamb, pork, duck, chicken or black pudding for anyone. I've got no problem with people that do and if that's your lifestyle choice, then so be it. I don't need to hear about it, the health benefits, the moral justification or anything. If you wanna tell me the cool thing you did with tofu last night the same way that I might tell people about the cool new way I cooked some chicken last night, that's fine but that's as far as the conversation should go.

I also understand that some people can't eat meat for specific dietary reasons and that's fine. I have a cousin who can't eat red meat because of a problem with her digestive system, it can't process it properly.

I always find the moral vegans the funniest fucking people though, the ones that cry about the deaths of animals for food. All those same people likely have phones, tablets, portable games consoles and laptops, they might own some portable power tools or something like that and they likely support the development of electronic cars. And you know where the cobalt for the batteries in all those products comes from? Mines in Africa run with enslaved children. But go on, tell me how good a person you are because you don't eat mince while you play Angry Birds on your iPhone. The lack of moral consistency is honestly quite astounding.
 
#27 ·
My boyfriend is a vegan and does it because he thinks that his body is better when lean and says that its mostly due to the insane amounts of running and biking he does. He isn't someone who will go on about harming animals, the planet and so on, he does it for him and no reason other than that which i respect. I think for him it works, and i've weirdly even noticed how much better his mood is , how its cleared up his skin and how much better his body is due to it. He used to be someone who enjoyed pizzas, Mcdonalds and so on and out of nowhere decided to give it up to help him. I personally could never do it and it is a bit awkward finding somewhere to eat with him that we both can enjoy or even family functions where he's just sitting there with meals he's prepped or that i've helped him make. I think its really if you're not a douche about it or pushing it at other people then i'm cool with you, if you want to sit there and be judgy and everything not so much. I literally can sit next to him watching something on the couch eating something like a baconator , pizza or something along those lines and he wont even mind. He's the type most vegans should be like lol not triggered little freaks screaming about this and that.
 
#28 · (Edited)
The rise of militant veganism is in direct correlation with the utter pussification of Western society, and totally symbolic of this wider problem. Note the use of the word 'militant' as I refer specifically to those who choose to look down on people who eat meat/consume dairy products etc.

As animals, human beings hunt other animals, just like any other predator does. Blessed with superior brain power rather than brute strength, we were able to learn to rear certain livestock with the eventual goal of eating it. We were also able to devise weapons with which to hunt animals physically bigger and stronger than us.

I'm not unreasonable, and it is definitely best if we can give livestock a healthy free-range life before it goes to the slaughterhouse. I'm actually willing to pay a bit extra to ensure that is the case, as the product is usually better and it's beneficial for the animals themselves. I also make a point of not throwing meat out because it is extremely disrespectful to the animal that died not to at least eat all of it.

I guess what I'm saying is that people just take it way too far. Like a group of lions would ever start eating tofu because ripping a zebra's throat out and eating its entrails when it's barely even dead is inhumane FFS.

Having said all of this though, if you want to be vegan then all power to you, that's what individual liberty is about and I won't show you any disrespect as long as you don't try to give me a hard time for ordering a steak. This won't change the fact however that I personally think veganism is all a bit cultish not to mention straight up unhealthy without certain supplements to help make up for the meagre amount of vital proteins and other vitamins a vegan diet deprives one of.
 
#14 · (Edited)
I've rarely gone fully vegan for an extended period(cheese and butter are my lifeline), but I have had long stretches as a vegetarian or pescatarian in my life.

It was not such a difficult transition as the side of my family that I grew up with are Northern Italian and many of the meals we ate were based more on pasta, fish and fresh vegetables; meat was secondary and rarely served in hunks or large portions like most American meals.

I spent years on the festival/tour scene traveling up and down the roads listening to live music. The neo-hippy scene that is associated with that lifestyle is overwhelmingly vegan/vegetarian so the vending leans heavily that way. This is how I fell in love with middle eastern and Indian food which is largely meatless.

It's not as hard as one thinks. I never touched meat substitutes like fake chicken or tofu hot dogs. Pasta with fresh vegetables in garlic oil with crushed red pepper is a meal that most anyone would enjoy. It also helps that I worked as a chef for most of my adult life so I'm a little more skilled and knowledgeable in the kitchen than most.

I never bragged about it. In fact I often hid it and was embarrassed by it because of the social stigma. As some of the posts on here have shown many people think it's bizarre, or see you as someone who thinks they're better than or above everyone else.

The biggest issue I found with it is your digestive system tends to forget how to process meat. I'm currently a pescatarian(I eat seafood but no meat) but not necessarily by choice. On the rare occasion that I try to eat meat I get very sick. I can eat a turkey sandwich that's mostly cheese and veggies with a thin slice or two of turkey but nothing else. Complex proteins tear up my insides. Frankly I'd like to be able to have a slice or two of roast beef at Christmas dinner with my family.

It's seems that vegetarianism and veganism has become much more prevalent in recent years. I used to travel about 45 miles to get to a decent vegan restaurant and even in Boston there were scant choices for meatless cuisine. Now their are dozens of places to choose from and even when I travel to the more rural areas of the northeast I have no problem finding a meatless establishment.

Still I don't see it becoming the norm in the future unless meat becomes an overwhelming scarcity. Most people are raised on meat, it is a part of their culture and heritage, many big businesses are built on meat and have massive advertising campaigns, and it's a hell of a lot easier for most to cook up some burgers and dogs than it is to cut, properly saute and cook fresh vegetables with a tasty sauce.

It's not as hard as you think though. Try doing it for a week. Going vegan is a little more difficult than going vegetarian but chances are you already eat a lot of vegan and vegetarian foods. Pasta, vegetable and noodle or rice stir fries, pizza(tell me you couldn't live on an all pizza diet), eggplant parm, rice and bean burritos, etc. If you throw in middle eastern food like falafel and hummus you have an amazing variety. It also has a lot of health benefits.
 
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#23 ·
Veganism is more of a Religion than just abstaining from meat and animal products. (This can include insects and products made by insects)

It's about "Moral Supremacy" and a "Healthy Lifestyle". They browbeat each other into staying the course like any other Religion using morality and pseudo science. At no point in History were Humans ever Vegans naturally, it's something that popped up when supplements came about and met with the "Psychedelic Guru" nonsense.

It's an unsustainable diet that's dangerous for babies and children, not very good for Adults unless you're also using supplements.

Most Vegans look awful and malnourished and the "Body Building Vegans" are probably scammers or not really Vegan. These types usually are trying to sell you something or gain Online attention which is a pretty big indicator. Even if there are these types, they're the exception not the rule.

People who lose weight on a Vegan diet are probably not factoring in that they're cutting sugars, preservatives and sodium from their diets and thus losing a lot of water weight/muscle mass. Of course these same results can happen with a standard diet by simply cutting out all the bad.

Going vegetarian once in a while and monitoring what you eat is a far better solution to going on a diet which isn't natural nor very good for you in Veganism. All it offers is perceived moral superiority and an almost cult like restriction on foods. (Cults will deny proteins and fats to people which lowers their ability for thought process, which is why most cults have strict diets.)
 
#15 ·
I found being a vegan completely unsustainable. I have come to terms with the fact that I am a hunter and a killer.

That's just a simple reality

 
#19 ·
I've no issues with Veganism nor Vegans, especially if they keep to their business and leave me to mine. I don't eat beef or any other red meat either, but I do eat poultry and fish. I'd describe my diet as pescatarian most of the time, as I only eat chicken on occasion. Sometimes, I'm vegetarian for days on end, but never vegan (I drink milk and eat eggs).

Live and let live, I say. I don't care if you want to eat meat or if you don't. Just don't bother me with it and we're good.

Also, I don't think it will ever be the norm. Ever. There will always be those who fight against it. Whether they're in the wrong or right, I don't care as it's not my problem and I'll be dead by the time such a day comes.
 
#24 ·
I could never be a vegan. Steaks and Roast Lamb are just too good.

I've never met a normal vegan either, they're always hippie douchebags. I'm sure they all aren't but the ones I've met always are.

There are some health benefits, but there can also be negatives as well with people not getting the right nutrients and such. And cases of vegan parents hospitalising or even killing their babies with a vegan diet that doesn't provide what babies need.
 
#30 · (Edited)
what many people dont understand is if people didnt eat meat, the animals wouldnt exist anyway, there are only the amount of certain animals about because they are farmed for meat so it cancels out, if people were vegan throughout then the animals wouldnt have a life in the first place because people would have no need to breed them so its not about saving lives at all.

If eating meat stopped tomorrow then the animals would have no use to anyone and they would die out or at least dwindle in numbers to what they are now.

I personally dont see the point in it, more people eat meat so its not going to stop just because I refuse to eat it plus its not like we are the only species to kill other things for food so I dont see why some people play the card of humans playing god over other things, it happens in all walks of life, theres a food chain, why is that never so much of a problem? is a lion cast the same judgement?

but as with anything, each to their own, if you dont agree with it then thats your choice, you have your reasoning as much I do, more power to you.
 
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