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If criminals deserve this much empathy, then what about the victims? Omaha teen who threw her child out of her window won't even get jail time

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#1 ·
This combined with a bunch of judges freeing rapists "Saving" criminals from deportation is just getting to a kind of social depravity where people's empathy really has shifted from victims to criminals.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/teen-who-tossed-her-newborn-from-window-gets-probation/

Teen who tossed her newborn from window gets probation



OMAHA, Neb. -- A Nebraska 16-year-old who admitted throwing her newborn out a second-floor window has been sentenced to probation and sent to a group home for causing the baby’s death.
The Omaha World-Herald reports that a judge also told the girl Friday that she must undergo therapy, delete her Facebook account and perform community service.
The girl had pleaded guilty. The Associated Press generally doesn’t name juveniles charged with crimes.
Police say she gave birth Sept. 30 at her mother’s apartment in Omaha, Nebraska, tossed the child out the window, then told her mom. The mother told police she immediately went down and found the baby, called 911 and began CPR. The child was pronounced dead at a hospital.
Douglas County Attorney Don Kleine has said that what the girl did wasn’t planned, that “it was more of a panicked reaction.” Deputy County Attorney Jennifer Chrystal-Clark had asked for the teen to be placed in the group home in part because of comments the teen made that drew concern she didn’t understand the severity of her actions, the paper reports.
An autopsy determined the baby was delivered prematurely, at about seven months, but was born alive and died of head injuries sustained from the fall. The child reportedly weighed about two pounds.
Rebecca McClung, the teen’s defense attorney, said in court the teen thought the baby was stillborn, the paper reports.
The teen was initially charged as an adult with one count of felony child abuse resulting in death, the paper reports, and could have faced 20 years to life in prison if convicted.
In February, the teen reportedly admitted to the crime and the case was transferred to juvenile court.


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Then there are reports of similar "probation" and insufficient consequences for rapes in several countries.

What exactly is the intent of this much sympathy for criminals? Where exactly are we headed if we're this lenient on murderers and rapists?
 
#31 ·
Wait lemme try and get this straight...


So she was apparently enough of an adult to make the decision to have unprotected sex which resulted in pregnancy...but not enough of an adult to understand the consequences behind throwing her newborn child out the window in an effort to kill it...

That shit just don't make sense. I'm tired of these stupid kids who, despite everything in the world telling them to the contrary, decide "I'm mature enough to make grown up choices". When you do that, your actions have grown up consequences, either good or bad (and often both). So when they ultimately get way in over their heads, they realize they can't cope and pull some stupid shit to get out of it which backfires, their actions and logic fueled by the fact that they're still, mentally, children. Newsflash-that's why adults warn kids against this. However, if they ignore the warnings and do it anyway, they accept the consequences WHETHER OR NOT they comprehend them. This girl should be doing time, plain and simple. "Oh, but she acted in a panic and wasn't thinking, she's still a kid!" She gave up being a kid when she got pregnant, she's a parent now. Don't like it? Don't get pregnant, its that simple. Besides, there are PLENTY of teen moms who don't toss their babies out windows, why does this one get a pass?

I'm also pretty pissed that the justice system is so cool with excusing her behavior. Oh wow she has to DELETE HER FACEBOOK. Somebody call the national guard, we've got someone without access to social media. Give me a fucking break.
 
#56 ·
So she was apparently enough of an adult to make the decision to have unprotected sex which resulted in pregnancy...but not enough of an adult to understand the consequences behind throwing her newborn child out the window in an effort to kill it...

That shit just don't make sense.
:kobe11

To have unprotected sex as a teenager is the exact definition of an immature choice.



Anyway this topic is such a CAN OF WORMS. As with all murder cases it's not just "they are a murderer" and the book is shut. You all can talk about hormones and whether she was or wasn't mentally capable of making a rational decision all you want (I think she was, and she did it anyway) but we have to consider, why would a girl in Omaha, where abortion is legal, not just get an abortion instead?

Surely - and fairly clearly - she didn't want a child at all. So what stopped her from getting an abortion? In states with abortion, or at least Omaha, is a 16 year old able to make the decision alone, or does she need her parent(s) to back the decision or make it for her? I genuinely don't know, but they are important questions. I quickly did a google to see if abortion was legal in Omaha and saw that they can cost over $500. IF that is the case, imagine trying to get $500 as a 16 year old (even if you worked at that age it'd be hard) without asking for money from adults who you might be afraid of telling "yea, I'm getting an abortion". I mean, you can probably get it done and pay in installments afterwards but who knows?

These mindsets aren't surprising when half the country is split on telling people abortion is murder, trying to close down abortion clinics, etc.


P.S. Infanticide is classified differently than murder and manslaughter, I'm fairly sure... given the distinction of the wording anyway.

P.P.S. We, westerners, need to really look at what we pin blame on teenagers for tbh. Killing your child while arguably sane gets you community service, whereas you're held back in life depending on some of the shit decisions you make at 16... :no:
 
#64 ·
Sadly i feel if this was a 16 year old boy then he'd have been thrown into jail....

I was reading a story in my local paper where a woman assaulted a man because he apparently had taken out a loan for her, and the defence actually blamed the victim and said "He must take partial blame". I was fucking livid that we live in a blame victim culture. This 16 year old KNEW what the fuck she was doing and that callous text proves it. I don't give a fuck if she was young or had a hard life normal people don't chuck a baby out a fucking window. Sorry folks but i'm reserving my sympathy for things like homeless people or the more vulnerable in our society that get shit on
 
#65 ·
Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous how the wrong people end up taking blame.

It'd be like a woman with an over-protective older brother who won't let her be an adult in a healthy relationship with a guy she cares about being told 'This guy is grooming you' when he sees the two of them having adult conversations together. The kind that couples normally have. Then basically forcing her into being single and not contacting the boyfriend again because said over-protective older brother is the one doing wrong by forcing the adult woman into being a 5 year old for the rest of her life with nobody but him to rely on.

It's emotional slavery and if the boyfriend chose to, he could go to the police over the older brother because it falls under the abuse laws in this country (in the UK, at least).
 
#43 · (Edited)
The first thing that came to mind is post-natal syndrome which can happen after birth. In the most severe cases it can lead to the mother completely losing her mind and killing the child.

There is however no evidence of it that has appeared in any of the news stories or court case.....at least to my knowledge. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

If that is the case then this is one of the most fucked up things I've seen all year. How do you not get any jail time for killing a baby? I mean what the fuck.

There are literally thousands if not millions of people in jail for non-violent/victimless crimes and this bitch gets away with community service and having her social media revoked.

And I thought the US criminal justice system was messed up enough.
 
#52 ·
this is one of the most fucked up things I've seen all year. How do you not get any jail time for killing a baby? I mean what the fuck.
You know what's even more fucked up? There are still many places in the USA where parents can allow their children to die from treatable illnesses and avoid prison time because the law allows them to claim religion as a defense. Because, ya know, saving your kid's life by taking them to a doctor is against the wishes of magic sky daddy.

Most states allow religious exemptions from child abuse and neglect laws
 
#2 · (Edited)
The big issue with the justice system in the western world is its seemingly focused upon feeling sorry for the criminals. Finding excuses for them and ignoring the victim. My step-Dad was stabbed twice (once near his lung, but the knife hit his rib) by his meth head neighbour and beat the crap out of the guy in self defence, fighting for his life in his own front yard yet fingers are pointing at my step dad. The meth head is known to all the local cops because he's terrorised people in the past, committed numerous robberies, etc. but he has a sob story that wins all the judges over and he never serves serious time. Even the detectives have said to my step dad "have you seen the other guy?", as in the meth head is in bad shape; broken arm, broken jaw, cheekbone, missing most his teeth, etc. But hitting someone leaves more noticeable damage than a stab wound to the shoulder or back does, and the junkie was that off his head on something he just kept getting back up and wouldn't drop his knife.
 
#40 · (Edited)
The big issue with the justice system in the western world is its seemingly focused upon feeling sorry for the criminals.
Pretty sure the millions of people locked up for years on end due to nonviolent crimes is a far bigger problem than an overabundance of empathy for criminals, at least in the US.
 
#32 · (Edited)
Well if the prosecutors determined it was credible - or could be made to appear credible to a jury - that she did think the baby was stillborn + her age... I suspect the prosecutors did not have a great deal of confidence they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was guilty of the felony abuse resulting in death charge, or of any lesser included charges they could have amended the indictment to add.
 
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#33 ·
Well if the prosecutors determined it was credible - or could be made to appear credible to a jury - that she did think the baby was stillborn + her age... I suspect the prosecutors did not have a great deal of confidence they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was guilty of the felony abuse resulting in death charge.
^^^^ but that would be a sensible take on dis and not a good troll thread....:ghost:ghost:ghost
 
#46 ·
She killed her own child, and apparently did so without feeling much other than a "panicked reaction" which was her alleged reason in the first place. Seems like murder is the obvious charge here, and I really don't get feeling any empathy. Yes, there could mental problems, but right now there isn't evidence of that.

Realistically though, if this was handled properly, she would be in jail, get out in 20 years, and probably end up going right back to after getting out. Going to prison for something like this basically renders the vast majority rest of any criminal's life moot, moot which we end up paying for, because we're so shitty at the rehabilitation aspect. I'm not even defending us either, but when you have shit like this happening, while we have the most incarcerated citizens for a 1st world problem, there's a pretty large problem at hand here that goes even beyond empathy for criminals.
 
#48 ·
But the answer to this isn't to stop sending obvious criminals to jail, but rather start freeing people who are in there for non-violent/victimless crimes.

The only reason why our prison stats are so bloated is because of the horrendous marijuana legislation and the impact that has on minority communities.
 
#3 ·
Here in Brazil there is no death penalty, the criminals are also protected by the government, which also doesn't offer a good quality of life in prisons, is worse than a stye. I don't agree that everyone should be killed (just rapists, pedophiles, murderers, torturers and etc), but thieves or racist/homophobic should get a second chance but only a second chance! If they commit the crime again, they must die.

But don't forget that most people who are in jail are poor. Rich people can use the money to get out of there, or even never be there if the cop is also corrupt.
 
#4 ·
This combined with a bunch of judges freeing rapists "Saving" criminals from deportation is just getting to a kind of social depravity where people's empathy really has shifted from victims to criminals.

Then there are reports of similar "probation" and insufficient consequences for rapes in several countries.

What exactly is the intent of this much sympathy for criminals? Where exactly are we headed if we're this lenient on murderers and rapists?
How did you work in deportation and rape in foreign countries around that story?

And I will have empathy for a 16 year old girl not to spend the next two decades in prison because I am a good person...why the hell would you want her to go to jail???
 
#5 · (Edited)
How did you work in deportation and rape in foreign countries around that story?
Because unlike some people who pretend that misguided empathy isn't creating a problem of leniency on criminality overall, I can connect the dots and see where "progress" is leading us.

And I will have empathy for a 16 year old girl not to spend the next two decades in prison because I am a good person...why the hell would you want her to go to jail???
Because she murdered a child.

You kill someone in cold blood, you go to jail. You give up your right to be considered a member of civilized society. It's not rocket science.
 
#9 ·
This combined with a bunch of judges freeing rapists "Saving" criminals from deportation is just getting to a kind of social depravity where people's empathy really has shifted from victims to criminals.

Then there are reports of similar "probation" and insufficient consequences for rapes in several countries.

What exactly is the intent of this much sympathy for criminals? Where exactly are we headed if we're this lenient on murderers and rapists?
How did you work in deportation and rape in foreign countries around that story?

And I will have empathy for a 16 year old girl not to spend the next two decades in prison because I am a good person...why the hell would you want her to go to jail???
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#15 ·
I'm pretty heavily into harsh punishments

I view it more about the principle, if you commit crimes you think that you are above society and that its rules and regulations don't apply to you do to the situation you are in

In response I have zero problem with their being a large gap in punishments between a confession and a conviction
 
#19 ·
This fucking piece of shit trash literally threw away a child when there are millions of americans that can't have babies and want one. There aren't enough babies available for adoption in this country than there are parents.

But, you can't teach psychopaths respect for human life.
 
#47 ·
Damn that's fucked up - she should atleast get more punishment than she's getting. To do the facebook thing with a straight face is kind of disturbing.

But really, we don't know the legalities of the process. It could be more of a legal issue to do with the details of the case rather than some societal thing abut babies or sympathy for criminals. Who knows.

I would imagine the mental anguish she'll have to live with for the rest of her life will be worse punishment than any jail time would be. But that shouldn't mean there be no actual jail time.

Still, nice virtue signalling.
 
#67 ·
https://www.crictracker.com/mustafa-bashir-made-wife-drink-bleach-spared-jail/

Here's another piece of shit that avoids jailtime for years of abuse and finally puring acid down his wife's throat in Britain.
Pakistan cricketer Mustafa Bashir who made wife drink bleach spared jail

Bashir has been accused of ill-treating his wife Fakhara Karima who he got married to in the year 2013.

Controversy once again hits Pakistan Cricket as a Pakistani cricketer, Mustafa Bashir, who forced his wife to drink bleach and hit her with a bat was left without being jailed as he claimed to join a top cricket club. But Leicestershire County Cricket Club, the club which the cricketer spoke about completely denied any such negotiations with the player. Going by the words of the club no contract was offered to the player by the club.

According to the club’s spokesperson, Mustafa Bashir, the accused cricketer has not been in any kind of touch with the club and all these news of the cricketer set to sign for the club are completely made up. The spokesperson of Leicestershire County Cricket Club quoted, “The club are bemused by these stories. Any references to Mustafa Bashir signing or being approached to sign for Leicestershire County Cricket Club are completely false. The club have never spoken to Mustafa Bashir or an agent, nor offered a contract to the player.”

Bashir has been accused of ill-treating his wife Fakhara Karima who he got married to in the year 2013. But their relationship did not get along well as Bashir often showed his dominance over the lady. Also, Fakhara’s wearing of westernized dresses and talking to friends over the phone did not go down well with the cricketer and he physically abused Fakhara for the same.

In 2014 a shameful incident took place when Bashir held Fakhara by her throat in public and then let her go only after a passerby threatened to call the police. But the assault did not stop there as Bashir threatened his wife with a knife on reaching home and forced her to drink bleach in an attempt to kill her.

Bashir had admitted to two counts of assault of harming her wife at the Manchester City court. His defence solicitor told that he was to join a top cricket club as he was offered a contract by the same. The judge then suspended him for two years handing him a 18-month sentence and asked the cricketer to attend a workshop called “building better relationships,” he also had to pay 1000 pounds.

The judge also has to face a lot of criticism since the verdict as he said that Fakhara was not vulnerable as she was “an intelligent woman with a network of friends” and a degree.
So the asshole doesn't get jail because he lied about having a job and that his victim can "deal with it"

And then people tell me to give judges and lawyers the benefit of the doubt :mj4
 
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