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Brexiters - You did good when you voted to leave the EU - They're now interfering with France's Elections

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#1 ·
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...en-immunity-tweet-isis-violence-a7604506.html

European Parliament committee votes to lift Marine Le Pen's immunity from prosecution over Isis images

European Union legislators have “overwhelmingly” voted to lift the EU parliamentary immunity of French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen for tweeting pictures of Isis violence.

Ms Le Pen, a member of the European parliament, is under investigation in France for posting three graphic images of Isis executions on Twitter in 2015, including the beheading of the United States journalist James Foley.

Responding to a request from the French judiciary, the EU MEPs in the legal affairs committee voted to lift her immunity, EU officials said. The committee's decision will have to be backed by the whole parliament in a second vote, possibly this week.

Ms Le Pen's immunity shields her from prosecution and lifting it would permit legal action against her. The offence being considered is “publishing violent images,” which under certain circumstances can carry a penalty of three years in prison and a fine of €75,000 (£64,000).

MEPs “overwhelmingly voted to lift Le Pen's immunity,” said eurosceptic 5 Star Movement lawmaker Laura Ferrara. A Parliament official said 18 lawmakers voted in favour of removing Ms Le Pen's immunity and three voted against.

Ms Le Pen could not immediately be reached for comment.

“Showing and naming the horror of Islamism allow us to fight against it,” Florian Philippot, the vice president of Le Pen's far-right National Front party, told Reuters.

Ms Le Pen, locked in an increasingly tight three-way race to succeed Francois Hollande this spring, has already seen her earnings as MEP cut for a different case involving alleged misuse of EU funds.


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She has denounced the legal proceedings against her as political interference in the campaign, where she is the lead candidate, and called for a moratorium on judicial investigations until the election period has passed.

Polls say Ms Le Pen should win the first of the two election rounds but lose in the runoff. They also show that her legal battles seem to have little effect on her supporters.

Ms Le Pen's immunity has been lifted before, in 2013. She was then prosecuted in 2015 with “incitement to discrimination over people's religious beliefs”, for comparing Muslims praying in public to the Nazi occupation of France during the Second World War. Prosecutors eventually recommended the charges be dropped.
Sounds to me like EU would rather protect ISIS from public hatred and find whatever means necessary to paint an French politician as a criminal for simply exposing people to the violence committed by ISIS.

This sounds really bad to me.
 
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#8 ·
They're stupid if they push this forward, it's going to enrage a whole lot of people by this fuckery.

It must be nice to become a terrorist, fight overseas and come back to Europe to live a nice peaceful life.

If nobody can see the EU for what it is now, ignoring what they want, attacking people who they don't like and trying to rule over all sovereign European nations than those people are blind.
 
#9 ·
They're stupid if they push this forward, it's going to enrage a whole lot of people by this fuckery.
This is the state of the the EU and any EU member country for the past 3 or so years, really. You don't want see your country flooded by millions of Africans? You're a fascist, even worse than Hitler. You don't have radical, militaristic stance against Russia, or you dare to criticize the Ukrainian government? You're a conspiracy theorist at best, Russian agent at worst. Pro-EU "elites" have always been detached from reality but in these past couple of years, they took it to the whole new level.
 
#11 ·
Immunity shields shouldn't exist in the first place. If she's guilty then she should pay for it.
 
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France is being taken over by American Corporate Interests:

https://blog.google/topics/google-europe/crosscheck-first-draft-newsrooms-french-elections/
CrossCheck: Partnering with First Draft and newsrooms in the leadup to French elections

At today’s News Impact Summit in Paris, in partnership with First Draft, the Google News Lab is proud to support the launch of CrossCheck, a coalition news verification project. With a goal of helping the French electorate make sense of what and who to trust in their social media feeds, web searches and general online news consumption in the coming months, we’re working with 17 newsrooms and counting, and technology partners including Facebook’s CrowdTangle and others .

After successfully joining forces with First Draft and many other news organizations and technology platforms on the Electionland project during the US election, launching CrossCheck in France is a natural next step. We’re excited to be a part of such a uniquely effective and collaborative approach with newsrooms across France to cover one of Europe’s most-watched elections. We’re incredibly proud of this partnership and the new model of collaborative journalism it’s pioneering.

With combined expertise from across media and technology, CrossCheck aims to ensure hoaxes, rumours and false claims are swiftly debunked, and misleading or confusing stories are accurately reported. With the French presidential election approaching, journalists from across France and beyond will work together to find and verify content circulating publicly online, whether it is photographs, videos, memes, comment threads and news sites. CrossCheck partners will make use of the collective reporting in their own articles, television programs and social media content.

Early partners include AFP (Agence France-Presse), BuzzFeed News, France Médias Monde (via les Observateurs de France 24), France Télévisions, Global Voices, Libération, La Provence, Les Echos, La Voix du Nord, Le Monde (Les Décodeurs), Nice-Matin, Ouest-France, Rue89 Bordeaux, Rue89Lyon, Rue89 Strasbourg, Storyful and StreetPress.

For more information, including how you, your newsroom or your classroom can get involved in the efforts to debunk myths, visit First Draft or sign up to the CrossCheck newsletter.. For more on the Google News Lab, including trainings, trends and tools for journalists, visit newslab.withgoogle.com.
If you're French and on this site, you should be very, very worried. Google is not your friend. Google is incredibly partisan in forcing people to consume news from their selected sources.

Everyone knows that Buzzfeed is 100% fake news. It's not even a news site. It's literally 90% op-eds. Francophones can you confirm the leaning of local French papers for me?
 
#49 ·
Those stinky French are more concerned about Trump's win, and demonstrating against him in front of their little tower.

The Haitch finds it funny when those stinky retards say Trump is "not my president".

Well no shit marks, he isn't your president-uhh.

This is a political invasion-uhh. A war.

Continue bringing in more of those islamic refugees, continue losing your identity to this jihadi war.

But as history has witnessed, the french have never had balls to win a war on their own-uhh.

They will come running to the US, their big brother.

The lyrics from The Game-uhh, were never truer:

"Look over your shoulder, ready to run-uhh. Like a good little bitch, from a smoking gun-uhh."

President Trump warned you all. You didn't listen.

So don't expect any mercy, when you come begging to the US.

Continue doing your deviant display of libtardism-uhh... Dressed like a giant vagina-uhh.

Coz that's exactly what you french have become: pussy.

Eiffel tower used to be a symbol of masculinity.

Thanks to you pussies, it's nothing but La dildo de fer.

 
#51 ·
Fascinating thread and stories throughout said thread, @RipNTear. The European Union interfering with the French elections was an entirely predictable development.

Reading the declassified documents--I have only read some--from the 1940s concerning the postwar European order, of sorts, is a tremendously educational experience. This article is one of many which relay these documents' findings: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ro-federalists-financed-by-US-spy-chiefs.html Not surprisingly the American government sought to instill a pan-European "identity" for lack of better terminology upon Western Europe as a political and cultural union as a way of bolstering the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Euro-federalists financed by US spy chiefs

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels

12:00AM BST 19 Sep 2000

DECLASSIFIED American government documents show that the US intelligence community ran a campaign in the Fifties and Sixties to build momentum for a united Europe. It funded and directed the European federalist movement.

The documents confirm suspicions voiced at the time that America was working aggressively behind the scenes to push Britain into a European state. One memorandum, dated July 26, 1950, gives instructions for a campaign to promote a fully fledged European parliament. It is signed by Gen William J Donovan, head of the American wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the CIA.

The documents were found by Joshua Paul, a researcher at Georgetown University in Washington. They include files released by the US National Archives. Washington's main tool for shaping the European agenda was the American Committee for a United Europe, created in 1948. The chairman was Donovan, ostensibly a private lawyer by then.

The vice-chairman was Allen Dulles, the CIA director in the Fifties. The board included Walter Bedell Smith, the CIA's first director, and a roster of ex-OSS figures and officials who moved in and out of the CIA. The documents show that ACUE financed the European Movement, the most important federalist organisation in the post-war years. In 1958, for example, it provided 53.5 per cent of the movement's funds.

The European Youth Campaign, an arm of the European Movement, was wholly funded and controlled by Washington. The Belgian director, Baron Boel, received monthly payments into a special account. When the head of the European Movement, Polish-born Joseph Retinger, bridled at this degree of American control and tried to raise money in Europe, he was quickly reprimanded.

The leaders of the European Movement - Retinger, the visionary Robert Schuman and the former Belgian prime minister Paul-Henri Spaak - were all treated as hired hands by their American sponsors. The US role was handled as a covert operation. ACUE's funding came from the Ford and Rockefeller foundations as well as business groups with close ties to the US government.

The head of the Ford Foundation, ex-OSS officer Paul Hoffman, doubled as head of ACUE in the late Fifties. The State Department also played a role. A memo from the European section, dated June 11, 1965, advises the vice-president of the European Economic Community, Robert Marjolin, to pursue monetary union by stealth.

It recommends suppressing debate until the point at which "adoption of such proposals would become virtually inescapable".
As one ex-CIA agent related to me personally, the European Union gestated within the womb of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. As the inchoate, nascent political concomitant of NATO, the European Union would, from the perspective of Allen Dulles, who founded the American Committee for a United Europe (ACUE), which financed the political pushing of the creation of the European super-state with over $1 million a year, the would-be EU would serve as the internationalist bulwark against the Soviets and the Soviets' often puissant and deeply subversive fifth columns inside the West. William "Wild Bill" Donovan, former head of the Office of Strategic Services, or OSS, forerunner of the CIA, and became a CIA director, was the president of Dulles's ACUE. The CIA's very first director, Walter Bedell Smith, was on the ACUE board. Myriad ex-agents were involved in the "astrourf" campaign which implemented political touchstones by which to make the movement toward an internationalist European identity grassroots when, for the most part, it most was certainly was not.

Conrad Hilton was a major businessman involved, seeing the potential streamlining of business negotiations as a major positive. Herbert Lehman and labor leaders like David Dubinsky and the ex-communist Jay Lovestone were also integral to this operation. Tom Braden, one of the CIA's brightest and most accomplished agents, boasted the title of Executive Director. As numerous documents reveal, covert American financial aid to European federalist movements were always at fifty percent of the "contribution total," and usually more like two-thirds. Paul Hoffman, head of the Ford Foundation, and a former high-ranking OSS official, was the point man inside the ACUE for all of this as the Ford Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation served as private conduits by which money was transported.

As the last president Barack Obama and an array of American corporate interests aligned against Brexit, so too will a legion of U.S. corporate interests seek to manipulate the French elections for their own betterment. Several of the top men in these spheres have closely studied Edward Bernays's essay "The Engineering of Consent" among other crucial twentieth century tomes and guides.

Soyez vigilant...
 
#58 ·
Is Macron really the likely guy to win the French Presidency? Or do polls likely have it wrong and Fillion & Le Pen do have better odds than the media are predicting? I just find it weird to see most in France supporting a strong, liberal pro-business europhile giving what's been going on in the continent recently. I thought France would want a more conservative, eurosceptic candidate as their President?
 
#60 ·
The law is the law is the law. You wanna be a tough girl and break it then pay the price. For me the bigger issue is why did she have immunity in the first place? Pollies are above the law now?

You can agree with it or not, it can be right or not in your opinion or not. But that shit doesn't matter - if you break it in broad daylight like an idiot then you pay the price. She shouldn't be immune from the law just because she's a politician - that's ridiculous.
 
#61 ·
This is bullshit wtf

Still uneasy about Brexit especially with May at the helm, but I'd rather we get it over & done with now since that's what we voted for, no point tryna u-turn & ask for recounts & shit, deal with it
 
#62 · (Edited)
You shouldn't be censored or punished for posting violent images unless you are condoning or promoting the violence itself. Period. The people saying that she deserves to have her immunity revoked have no idea of the context of this case. She was posting the images to inform the public of the actions and barbarism of ISIS, going public against them. That is a good thing, not a bad thing. I don't think anyone in this thread is for any type of terrorist activity.

As some people have probably already mentioned, these images have been out for quite some time; since 2015. The fact that the EU decided to do this now is a political move, pure and simple. They know with Brexit already happening that Le Pen winning the French National elections is a massive step towards the EU project ending. Should Le Pen win and she hold a referendum on France's EU membership there is a good chance with everything that has happened that France will vote to leave. If that happens then the EU is finished. France, the UK and Germany are the three big net contributors. If two out of the three are gone, plus the Netherlands potentially then there is no way the project can continue. Germany would have to significantly increase their contribution and the net con's weigh out the benefits of Germany doing that. Even the very pro-EU Merkel I think understands this.

This is why this is happening now, one only has to look at the timing of this move and understand. The EU does not care about Democracy, it absolutely hates and despises the Nation State and National Sovereignty with it's every being. Looking at it as backwards and tribalism from a different age. It is little wonder why they pulled this move considering the danger Le Pen and the upcoming French national elections puts them in. They can afford Geert Wilders to win in the Netherlands, they can't afford a Le Pen victory in France. And they know it.
 
#64 ·
No doubt it's political as they were done in 2015 - but that's the way politics works and has since forever. That doesn't change she broke the law and if it's in statue of limitations (haw haw) then too bad so sad - face the music 'The Pen'.

I'm sure stupid shit like this happens all the time all over the world to people on all sides of the spectrum - this sot of fuckery is not some EU specific thing.

I mean, old dirty laundry gets dragged up all the time, it does every US election for example for lefties, righties, middle-ies and everyone.
 
#63 · (Edited)
Expecting leftists to not deliberately twist the context of anything is giving them too much credit at this point. Apparently, after the removal of the immunity, no charges have been brought up and likely aren't going to be. Pretty sure everyone knows that if this ever goes to court, it will get summarily dismissed until and unless there's deliberate corruption. The EU's machinations have had no impact on Le Pen's numbers either. She's predicted to win the first round but they're pretending like they did with Trump that she'll lose the second round. This is another Brexit happening. Conservatives are smelling blood everywhere and coming back in full force. We're in the middle of an ideological crusade and it's fantastic to be a witness to this shift.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20170306/marine-le-pen-really-could-become-president-warns-hollande
Far-right leader Marine Le Pen could win the forthcoming presidential election in France, President Francois Hollande warned on Monday, vowing to "do everything" in his power to stop it happening.
Polls suggest that Le Pen, leader of the National Front (FN), is likely to win the first round of France's election on April 23.

However, surveys also show she would then lose in the deciding second-round run-off on May 7 either to the centrist and pro-business Emmanuel Macron or conservative candidate Francois Fillon.

But with Fillon's campaign in turmoil over accusations he paid his wife for a fake parliamentary job from public funds, analysts have warned that the election is extremely difficult to predict.

"There is a threat" of Le Pen winning the election, Hollande acknowledged in comments to French daily Le Monde -- part of an interview with six European papers.

"The far-right has not been so high (in the polls) for more than 30 years but France will not give in," vowed the president.

France "is aware that the vote on April 23 and May 7 will determine not only the fate of our country but also the future of the European project itself," he added.

Le Pen has vowed to ditch the euro as France's currency if elected and hold a referendum on the country's membership of the European Union.

Hollande, who has battled stubbornly high unemployment throughout his five-year term and has suffered low poll ratings, decided last year not to run for a second term.

He said it was his "last duty... to do everything to ensure that France is not convinced by such a plan" of taking the country out of the EU.
 
#65 ·
^You intentionally skipped the important part of the law. It's intent and context. Laws aren't black or white.

Also, 10 days into the whole mess, there have been no charges brought up. It seems like the EU was hoping to impact Le Pen's numbers and there's no real illegality here at all otherwise charges would have been filed.

She's basically turning into France's Trump at this point.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...h-voters-favour-Marine-Le-Pin-to-win-election

Marine Le Pen in shock poll boost as quarter of young voters 'back Front National’

ALMOST a quarter of young French voters want far-right candidate Marine Le Pen to win the upcoming presidential election, a surprising poll has found.

Some 24 per cent of French voters aged 18 to 24 questioned said they would be voting for the hardline candidate in the first round of the election, which is to be held on April 23.

Centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron, who served as economy minister under outgoing president François Hollande, however, has also won over French youths, and is just as popular as his hard-right rival - with 24 per cent of voters also saying they wanted him to become president.

he poll, carried out by Harris Interactive for French radio station RTL, found young voters have not given up on the left yet – with 19 per cent of those interviewed wanting far-left firebrand Jean-Luc Mélenchon to win the presidency. Another 14 per cent said they were rooting for hard-leftist Benoît Hamon, the Socialist party’s official candidate.

But, with more than 20 per cent of voting intentions each, both Mrs Le Pen and Mr Macron have a lead over the two radical left-wingers in polls, who are both limping to the finish line.

And only 10 per cent of voters aged 18 to 24, however, said they would be casting their electoral vote for centre-right candidate François Fillon, who is scrambling to patch up his scandal-hit campaign following claims that his wife was paid hundreds of thousands of euros for a bogus job as his parliamentary assistant.
 
#67 ·
Day 12. No charges.

Where are the
virtue signallers now?

Also, she's fast turning into one of my favorite politicians in the world right now.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-france-evil-campaigning-tyranny-back-turkey/

French nationalist politician Marine Le Pen spoke out about Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s plans to campaign in Europe for an upcoming referendum.

Le Pen told Erdogan to do your evil campaigning back in Turkey

#MarineLePen joins her strong voice against #Erdoğan. Do your evil campaigning for your #TYRANNY back in #Turkey! #BBC #SKY #EU #UK #NEWS pic.twitter.com/WTEjgV5XQ0

— SUPPORTING BREXIT (@EUVoteLeave23rd) March 12, 2017

"Why should we tolerate speeches on our soil that other democracies refuse? No #Turkish electoral campaign in #France !" #AKP #METZ #Marine https://t.co/oAqQPBLOXb

— Marine in English (@Marine2017_EN) March 12, 2017
:banderas
 
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