So Marine Le Pen cancelled a meeting with Lebanon's mufti after hearing that they would be requiring her to wear a hijab. Reuters coverage below if you would like to read but it is quite self explanatory.
Thoughts? It's quite interesting to see something so traditionally leftist come from out of right field (8*D)
French far-right National Front presidential candidate Marine Le Pen canceled a meeting on Tuesday with Lebanon's grand mufti, its top cleric for Sunni Muslims, after refusing to wear a headscarf for the encounter.
Le Pen, among the frontrunners for the presidency, is using a two-day visit to Lebanon to bolster her foreign policy credentials nine weeks from the April 23 first round, and may be partly targeting potential Franco-Lebanese votes.
Many Lebanese fled to France, Lebanon's former colonial power, during their country's 1975-1990 civil war and became French citizens.
After meeting Christian President Michel Aoun - her first public handshake with a head of state - and Sunni Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri on Monday, she had been scheduled to meet the Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Latif Derian
He heads the Dar al-Fatwa, the top religious authority for Sunni Muslims in the multireligious country.
"I met the grand mufti of Al-Azhar," she told reporters, referring to a visit in 2015 to Cairo's 1,000-year-old center of Islamic learning. "The highest Sunni authority didn't have this requirement, but it doesn't matter.
"You can pass on my respects to the grand mufti, but I will not cover myself up," she said.
The cleric's press office said Le Pen's aides had been informed beforehand that a headscarf was required for the meeting and had been "surprised by her refusal".
She's not a feminist she's disrespectful. You don't go to meet the Pope with bare shoulders. She was asked respectfully to cover her hair as a sign of respect for the beliefs and cultural sensibilities of the religious leader she was due to meet. It's like being asked to meet the pope or any other high ranking christian official and saying nah, i think i'll wear a strappy mini dress to meet this person. I say this as a catholic, just saying.
Don't get it twisted this woman is straight up dangerous. Her party is a vestige of Vichy France and they are riding a wave of truly terrifying momentum. People like to throw about the word fascist at people like Trump but this woman's family is a historied fascist elite. It's disgusting to see them try to clean themselves up, her disowning her father, a party trying to say that they don't believe what he says when everyone knows they do. It makes me terribly sad to know that nobody learned anything in history lessons at school. And i say this as a concerned european.
I didn't say she was a feminist - she'd have to self identify as that - but whether you like it or not, she made a feminist statement. It's nice to bring up the pope, but for him to be relevant you would have to show instances of specifically women being told to cover shoulders, as opposed to everyone. Fair play if you can produce that, but until then we have one rule being given to Le Pen because of her gender, and another for the men that have been in her situation.
Here is an image of the Grand Mufti with several bare-headed men, for reference. Keeping with your example, this would be the equivalent of having the pope front and centre in a shot with several men wearing a vest and shorts. You'd be quite put off if you were the only one forced to wear full sleeves, no?
Thanks for your concern but I am very familiar with Le Pen. I disagree with just about everything she stands for, which is why this latest news is very interesting for me.
Now watch the far left media and the modern leftist hivemind turn her into an insensitive, racist, white supremacist bitch who hates Muslims.
Funny thing is, this happened in Lebanon which is one of the most socially secular Muslim countries which has a sectarian government making it more secular than most. Even the Turkish Clerics let her meet them without a headscarf.
@Phaedra has no idea how free Lebanese women are. That's why she thinks this is "inconsiderate" :lmao. This is a political meeting with a Cleric. It's not a prayer service. The Cleric even in Islam has absolutely no right or authority to expect even Muslim women to always have the headscarves on when they meet him. This is a simple matter of asserting his power and influence. I would know. I've hung out with fucking clerics and muslim women all my life.
I mean, it's inconsiderate for her to refuse to put on something she's not required to wear but it's not inconsiderate for the Grand Mufti to force her to wear it. In fact, they were in conversation about it and before coming Le Pen told them she won't put them on. They decided to ignore her and let her come and try to force her to wear it any way.
It is, but read my post. It's relevant nonetheless as it could have just as likely been [insert any female world leader] with [insert any politician from an Arab/otherwise "traditional" background]
No. None of what yeahbaby posted shows that lower crime rates overall means that immigrant/refugee crime isn't on the rise [I'm assuming that was the real context of Sallys statement]
Say in 2015 there were 100 people 0 refugees and there were 20 crimes.
Then in 2016 there were 100 people but the mix was 80 locals and 20 refugees and there were 15 crimes. But this time locals committed 5 crimes and refugees committed 10 crimes.
Good for Le Pen. We're not talking about some religious practice which applies to all and that this was a religious ceremony or meeting. This was supposed to be a political meeting and they tried to force her to wear the veil. It's one thing to choose to wear it in a western country, it's quite another to be demanded to wear one whilst meeting someone in a political meeting.
I have no doubt this was partly a political stunt and I don't like Le Pen for many reasons but she did the right thing. If you are being coerced or forced to wear something against your will, something which millions of Muslim women have to do in the Middle East on a daily basis and which they have protested then it is no longer about religious liberty or a respect for religious traditions. I'm sorry but I have to disagree, especially because this meeting was not a religious ceremony but again a political meeting.
I don't have nuts so it's all cool, being a woman and all. I shoulda said nothing tbh cause i know my opinions on such things are not shared by a lot of people. I'll be honest and say that i used to think the hijab was oppressive and part of me still does so i understand all of your arguments very clearly, but i have female friends who choose to cover their hair so i can only speak from my own experience.
In retrospect I actually think Le Pen should wear a full burka permanently, just in the virtue of her being fucking hacket lol.
chill out lol. I sometimes catch myself being one of these people who shout 'YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE ... INTOLERANCE' lol, i know it's stupid, I know i can be stupid.
I saw it was Le Pen and my back went up immediately because i despise her and everything she stands for.
No they don't. If they weren't indoctrinated to do something they would never do it. Free women who weren't indoctrinated don't just randomly start covering their hair. They may be conservatives, or dress conservatively, but I don't recall a single woman who wasn't indoctrinated as a child ever chose to cover hair hair outside of some fashions that call for it. And by and large fully covered hair has never been fashionable or a fad. Only religious women cover their hair and religions are a form of childhood indoctrination designed to restrict freedom of choice.
Raising an indoctrinated child essentially takes away their agency to make a truly free choice therefore as adults they're not making a free choice to wear the hijab. It's not freedom.
First things first, omg she's so fucking beautiful ?. Second thats shit what they did. Third is that yeah women I have known that covered their hair did grow up in devout families so perhaps what they perceived as their choice wasn't entirely theirs, I respect that.
I also respect that I grew up with a religious outlook, so perhaps my view on religious observance and respect of it taints my view on it.
The women burning their nikabs because to them they were a symbol of their oppression is also deeply moving. I am a woman after all and I know what they went through was much worse than being forced to cover themselves.
I'm just a generally respectful person I will listen to arguments but having challenged the wearing of the hijab with people who wore it I had to respect them as women when they told me it was their choice, because that's feminism, choice.
I'm usually a big advocate for "when in Rome, do as the romans do" but Marine Le Pen had no reason to accept as it was supposed to be a diplomatic meeting outside of a mosque.
Also, Lebanon isn't entirely muslim, especially the French speaking community who's christian in majority, and actually one of the few arabic countries where a lot of muslim women don't wear the scarf at all. Considering that, I don't think it was a very disrespectful move, but as usual, medias are ignoring the context and are making it look like an insult to the entire muslim world.
And let's be honest for a second, had she wear the scarf she would have been ridiculed by all of her opponents and called an hypocrit. They NEVER give her credit for anything. French SJWs don't even acknowledge the fact that she could be the first female president, why bother please them ?
In a loose representation of Phil Defranco, "We ask that black people when coming over wear gloves, not that we think black people are gross or dirty but you know, it's tradition."
I have to admit this is pretty much that, discrimination against a gender for simply being that gender.
Before anyone takes what DeFrano said seriously, it was a joke in context of demanding someone wear a piece of clothing because of their gender/race. Seriously, DeFranco isn't a Nazi just in case anyone asks because it seems everything taken out of context gets you labeled as a racist now.
DeFranco speaks out against the Regressive Left/SJW nonsense as well. Won't surprise me if they come after him soon too.
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