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Rise of Global Terrorism/Refugee Connections Thread (All Discussion Here)

To keep the Anything section a little more tidy and clean, I'm creating this thread for the sole purpose of discussing the connections between global terrorism and the upswing in refugees from those afflicted regions. This is also the thread to post any news regarding terrorist attacks that are unaffiliated with refugees and news regarding refugees that are unaffiliated with acts of terrorism.

The bold is very important, because these discussions can be exclusive from one another. Please keep it clean in here. I know this subject draws a lot of passion from both sides. We don't need a hostile environment here.

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Re: Rise of Global Terrorism/Refugee Connections Thread (All Discussion Here)

Oh, goodie!

/reclines back taking in the whole new thread

http://sputniknews.com/europe/201701...ays-car-arson/

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French officials are being accused of downplaying a rash of arson incidents after nearly 1,000 cars across the country were set on fire on New Year’s Eve. Despite police arrests of 454 people, with 301 taken into custody, officials say the holiday “went off without any major incident.”The French Interior Ministry said that 945 cars were either "totally destroyed" or "slightly affected" by the vandalism, a 17 percent increase from last year. However, the ministry claimed that these incidents have tapered off because they released the number of cars set on fire instead of the number of cars destroyed by fire.

The mass burning of cars has been something of year-end custom in France since the 1990s, with people competing to see who can set the most vehicles ablaze. During social unrest in 2005, disaffected French youths set fire to nearly 9,000 vehicles.

France’s right-wing Front National party (FN) released a statement criticizing the country’s deceptive information saying, "The new interior minister Bruno Le Roux… [Initially] didn’t communicate the number of vehicles burned and considers that the number of cars directly set on fire to be 'contained' while even this constitutes a significant rise of 8 percent." according to Newsline.

Le Roux commented, "I regret that once again there were too many instances of security forces being hit with objects, or faced with attacks or insults," according to the Telegraph. He thanked law enforcement present during the new year’s celebrations and said the event went off "particularly well."

In Nice, the site of a recent terror attack that killed 86, two police officers were hurt after being struck with "projectiles" despite heightened security.

Pierre-Henry Brandet, a spokesman for the ministry, refuted the accusations saying, "There is no desire to conceal… The number of direct firings is the most relevant indicator because it corresponds to the unlawful act..Not all vehicles were destroyed, some were only slightly affected."

He added, "Whatever the increase, this is not tolerable. But the trends are seen over several years and what is significant is a significant reduction over five years."
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Re: Rise of Global Terrorism/Refugee Connections Thread (All Discussion Here)

I wonder if anyone has done a study and/or a story looking at the connection between the rise in terrorism and refugees in the modern era and the rise in general crime and refugees/immigrants in past eras. I mean it seems a fair amount of the Irish and Italians that came over in the early days of this country were of a criminal element and of course the Mafia was an offshoot of the crime families from Italy in the early 1900s.

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I am for one tired of "refugees" coming to western countries, all they do is act like savages and terrorize nations because not everyone is a Muslim, well go back to your own sharia shithole, Muslims need to accept the fact that they are Christians,Jews,and other Religions other than Islam.
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I wonder if anyone has done a study and/or a story looking at the connection between the rise in terrorism and refugees in the modern era and the rise in general crime and refugees/immigrants in past eras. I mean it seems a fair amount of the Irish and Italians that came over in the early days of this country were of a criminal element and of course the Mafia was an offshoot of the crime families from Italy in the early 1900s.
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I wonder if anyone has done a study and/or a story looking at the connection between the rise in terrorism and refugees in the modern era and the rise in general crime and refugees/immigrants in past eras. I mean it seems a fair amount of the Irish and Italians that came over in the early days of this country were of a criminal element and of course the Mafia was an offshoot of the crime families from Italy in the early 1900s.
Early twentieth century immigration was the most critical force in shaping the Progressive Movement and its attendant consequences. From 1900 through 1915, well over fifteen million immigrants arrived to America, which was a massive number for the time and American society was highly disrupted as a result of this influx, with predominantly Anglo-Saxon New Englanders constituting considerable swaths of the Progressive Movement in response to this tidal wave of immigration. Prohibition was but one of the consequential turns in response to what were deemed rowdier populations which typically imbibed alcohol with greater frequency than the native population at that time between Irish, Italian, Polish and Jewish immigrants.

Taking the sprawling Irish-American diaspora into account for a moment, with its chief population centers of South Boston, and New York's Queens and Yonkers, powerful and palpable community organizations persist to this day which tend to be indispensable providers of support for the most vulnerable Irish immigrants of today, chiefly the elderly. With the ascendant rents in some of the old Irish neighborhoods, particularly in New York City, has also come the slow but inevitable creation of freshly minted Irish fiefdoms within large American cities. There was an excellent study put together by Jennifer Nugent Duffy noting the major divide between the older and younger Irish immigrants of today, with the former finding the latter increasingly less palatable with their identity as a community seen as being under siege or at least "threaten[ed]." Many older Irish immigrants scold the younger set for being too willing to engage in nearly constant alcohol-binging while exhibiting an open hostility toward attending Catholic mass.

I recall speaking to several Irish-American families in Yonkers once who dated back to 1903 who started becoming teary-eyed as they saw the old binds of their community starting to burn away as though from acid with the new arrivals and their new ways. Fascinating.



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I am for one tired of "refugees" coming to western countries, all they do is act like savages and terrorize nations because not everyone is a Muslim, well go back to your own sharia shithole, Muslims need to accept the fact that they are Christians,Jews,and other Religions other than Islam.
Couldn't agree more. I can barely buy a kebab from Refugee Mohammed at his shop down the road without getting forced to convert to 'Islam - Sharia Law Edition' right there and then before he suicide bombs himself and his halal meats before I'm barely out the door.

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I wonder if anyone has done a study and/or a story looking at the connection between the rise in terrorism and refugees in the modern era and the rise in general crime and refugees/immigrants in past eras. I mean it seems a fair amount of the Irish and Italians that came over in the early days of this country were of a criminal element and of course the Mafia was an offshoot of the crime families from Italy in the early 1900s.
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Early twentieth century immigration was the most critical force in shaping the Progressive Movement and its attendant consequences. From 1900 through 1915, well over fifteen million immigrants arrived to America, which was a massive number for the time and American society was highly disrupted as a result of this influx, with predominantly Anglo-Saxon New Englanders constituting considerable swaths of the Progressive Movement in response to this tidal wave of immigration. Prohibition was but one of the consequential turns in response to what were deemed rowdier populations which typically imbibed alcohol with greater frequency than the native population at that time between Irish, Italian, Polish and Jewish immigrants.

Taking the sprawling Irish-American diaspora into account for a moment, with its chief population centers of South Boston, and New York's Queens and Yonkers, powerful and palpable community organizations persist to this day which tend to be indispensable providers of support for the most vulnerable Irish immigrants of today, chiefly the elderly. With the ascendant rents in some of the old Irish neighborhoods, particularly in New York City, has also come the slow but inevitable creation of freshly minted Irish fiefdoms within large American cities. There was an excellent study put together by Jennifer Nugent Duffy noting the major divide between the older and younger Irish immigrants of today, with the former finding the latter increasingly less palatable with their identity as a community seen as being under siege or at least "threaten[ed]." Many older Irish immigrants scold the younger set for being too willing to engage in nearly constant alcohol-binging while exhibiting an open hostility toward attending Catholic mass.

I recall speaking to several Irish-American families in Yonkers once who dated back to 1903 who started becoming teary-eyed as they saw the old binds of their community starting to burn away as though from acid with the new arrivals and their new ways. Fascinating.
To follow up from Deso's post which I thought was fantastic and insightful, there have also been some damning consequences to modern mass immigraton in Europe in terms of general crime which draw incredible parallels to what has been said about American immigration at the turn of the 20th Century. And not all of it is related to the migrant crisis or even arab or middle eastern immigrants.

Tony Blair during his tenured years as Prime Minister in the UK pushed forward his policy of multiculturalism in the late 1990's and 2000's to the point in which I remember being taught about it in school as a value. Nothing like good ole state indoc- I mean schooling of course. Multiculturalism was seen as a virtue to be revered and spread and was taught in a way which did not encourage any critical thinking or challenging of the proposal. The Labour Party and Multiculturalism are the two biggest reasons of the explosion of mass immigration in recent decades which has seen the numbers jump from ten's of thousands to around 200,000-300,0000 a year net migration into the UK. And of course the Conservatives haven't done anything to shift this trend either.

The negative consequences of this policy have without a doubt undermined the values in which Tony Blair's idea of multiculturalism has promoted in terms of diversity, inclusion and celebrating differences in group culture (always fucking comes back to collectivism and group identity...) to the point that LBC presenter and Liberal Democrat member Maajid Nawaz, one of the only real liberals left in British politics proclaimed with such a definite tone that "Multiculturalism has failed and is dead". Two infamous examples of such consequences come from the Pakistani rape gangs in Rotherham which were covered up for years by the police in the fear of being branded racist. The same can be said for witnesses too which shows the pervase forms in which political correctness can cause such rampant injustice. The second being the rise of Eastern European gangs in which theft and robbery have dramatically increased over the last 5-10 years particularly in the capital London. Of course, the EU's free movement of people certainly contributes to this but it was largely the Blairite policy of multiculturalism which caused this wave of crime to emerge through mass immigration.

In terms of multiculturalism itself, we have also understandably seen closed off communities being formed by the very same people who have chosen to migrate, live and work in Britain. Due to the shared aspects of common language, food and culture, many communities especially Middle Eastern and Eastern European are not integrating into British culture, customs and way of life in the way that the metropolitan elite of the Labour party envisioned. It took up until this past year for Tony Blair to formely come out and admit that his mass immigration policy under the guise of multiculturalism was a mistake.

But the most interesting aspect of this is the information learned that Tony Blair and Labour government deliberately sort to make sure that no debate was held on the impact of this new immigration policy they set out with. Nothing were to be said about the impacts of immigration by the Labour Party or the media including the perceived positive effects! Meaning that they obviously feared the backlash from the working class families who the majority of them have voted Labour for generations. The consequences of that have been obvious: Brexit and the rise of UKIP.
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Re: Rise of Global Terrorism/Refugee Connections Thread (All Discussion Here)

Thanks @Oda and @MrMister for following through with my idea. Much appreciated.
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Has there been negative consequences from migration? For sure. That is not debatable. However to just focus on those things while ignoring any positive influences is not simply looking at the glass as half empty but it is in face a matter of picking up said glass, pouring it out and throwing it down hard so it shatters into hundreds of pieces.

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