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:trump

The old thread was too cluttered and had too many posts. This is the new thread, so carry on the discussion here.
 
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Re: Donald Trump: The New US President (All Discussion Here)

@Carte Blanche and @Roy Mustang, very well-made points.

In truth, :trump winning is the best possible thing that could happen to liberals' fear and loathing of working class and middle class whites. The continual disregard, mockery and, electorally, taking-for-granted that liberals and Democrats--and Republicans, by the way, especially from the establishment's haughty viewpoint--of those voters was leading to a rebellion sooner or later.

Five cops are executed in the streets of Dallas and the sitting president, who won in what is now apparently a "racist," "xenophobic," "bigoted" country brimming with racist white hicks, speaks of the need to recognize that many cops go too far against minorities at their funeral. The same president who called the Pennsylvanians who rejected Hillary last night as "bitter clingers" and whose jobs have been outsourced or removed, whole industries downsized, with nary a care about their lot or the lot of their children, from the U.S.'s political and financial elites, and who, along with many others who excited by :trump were declared "deplorables" and, to a large extent, "irredeemable" by Hillary Clinton.

And those are just rhetorical scrapings off of the tip of the proverbial iceberg. As you two noted, the media assault upon Trump and Trump fans was unceasing and doubtless contributed to the feeling among those voting for Trump that they were fighting for the insurrectionist rebel and underdog.

At a certain point, a backlash was inevitable.

Liberals today should thank their lucky stars that this occurred because the sad truth is that if these people did not find a political voice, at some point in the future a genuinely dangerous and sincerely racist figure might show up instead.

I've seen a litany of posts online from immigrants in the U.S. who, otherwise, I like, but who keep saying, "WHEN WILL THESE DEMOGRAPHICS CHANGE ALREADY? GO AWAY ******!" et. al. :lol I mean, I'm sorry, but a large grouping of whites have been feeling politically under siege with their kids taught to hate their ancestors' accomplishments for quite a while now. Is much of the resentment misdirected? Perhaps. Yet for one hundred years one of the most universally cherished concepts in the world is "the right to self-determination." It's what led to myriad complications and heartaches throughout the twentieth century and now the twenty-first. If, say, black South Africans have the sovereign right to attempt to control how many whites live there post-apartheid, for instance, do not populations of other countries get a say in their country's demographical future?

Also, when 29% of Hispanics--apparently--vote for you, you are probably not the cartoon character Nordicist seeking unyielding racial purity of the volk. Also interested to see how blacks voted, as well as Asians (know a few of each group who voted for Trump!). As noted, would hardly be surprised to learn that Trump received more votes from blacks than any GOP nominee in many, many years.

Hillary's talk of Vladimir Putin pulling Trump's strings was of course demagogic, fear-mongering nonsense that apparently no one bought aside from a few Democrats here and there, but there is an interesting comparison between Trump and Putin. Trump's rhetoric is brined in civic nationalism. Just as Putin talks a tough game and promotes the church, etc., but allows Russia's considerable Muslim population feel a part of the Russian fabric, it's difficult to find anything in Trump's speechifying to suggest that he wishes to simply ostracize minorities so long as they are American citizens. Both men, based on their statements (because that is the only way by which to judge Trump thus far) are pragmatic, center-right civic nationalists who find the reigning globalist system which seems to now be teetering on a certain precipice deeply wanting.

Odds are even if they did know they wouldn't care and that's a HUGE fucking problem as far as I'm concerned. That's what our political system has come to. Someone as corrupt as Hillary Clinton came this fucking close to winning a Presidential election.

I hate both of these fuckers but there's no way I'd vote for someone as corrupt as Hillary Clinton, I don't care who the fuck it is or who the fuck they are running against.

This is just more evidence that we need more than two parties in this system. We need more than two parties invited to debates and until enough people see the fucking light and stop voting for these fucking pricks and start voting for third parties it'll never happen. Democrats and Republicans are thick as thieves when it comes to this. They will do whatever it takes to keep other parties out of the debate system. Those that don't see this are simply delusional.
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You put that exceptionally well. :)

That's the beauty of social media, you don't have to imagine!













By the way, today is now, almost everywhere but where @Tater lives, November 9. On November 9, 1989, twenty-seven years ago, the Berlin Wall fell, one global order receding and retreating before the ascension of another one. With Brexit in Great Britain some months ago and the election of Trump in the U.S., with myriad European leaders and major finance ministers and bankers warning that the European Union project seems doomed, it would seem that yet another order is rising now.
 
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By the way, today is now, almost everywhere but where @Tater lives, November 9. On November 9, 1989, twenty-seven years ago, the Berlin Wall fell, one global order receding and retreating before the ascension of another one. With Brexit in Great Britain some months ago and the election of Trump in the U.S., with myriad European leaders and major finance ministers and bankers warning that the European Union project seems doomed, it would seem that yet another order is rising now[/B].
First of all, Trump winning is extremely interesting for me, as I'm a political scientist by education and these sorts of massive events intrigue me to no end.

But to respond to what you quoted there regarding the European Union, I will not react positively to a potential fall of the European Union project.

As negatively as it is perceived today, the European Union has two massive successes that so many people today fail to recognize and it concerns me: Peace and economic progress. A period of 50 years without major conflict (in Western Europe at least) on a continent that has been torn apart by war for over 2000 years and the ascension of Europe as the third largest economic bloc in the world is no small feat and I would not want to know what this continent will break down into if the European project falls apart into a blanket of nationalist regimes that all look inward and only have local/regional interests at heart.

Sorry to be talking about Europe in a thread about the US Elections, but I felt an urgent need to vent the concern above :eek:
 
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one question is now that hes won, can the celebrities just wait before he fucks up to say all this?

I mean he won sad for you but just wait till he fucks up ateast.

edit:am talking mainly about katy pery saying we wont let hate led us
 
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one question is now that hes won, can the celebrities just wait before he fucks up to say all this?

I mean he won sad for you but just wait till he fucks up ateast.

edit:am talking mainly about katy pery saying we wont let hate led us
Let 'em wallow in their misery.

Still, I'm sick to death of the racist and sexist categorizations, especially the latter, considering the legacy (and DNA samples) that Bill left behind.
 
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@CamillePunk the man pulling our strings, Vladimir Putin, is addressing the world on Russia Today! :woo

How many rubles does each :trump voter get again? :woo (Not even sure if you voted for :trump Camille. :lol)
 
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Twitter had me rolling. The stuff people said yesterday in relation to Donald Trump leading over Hillary Clinton. Time will tell whether these doomsayers are the only sane people in an insane world or they're just insane. :trump

I didn't want Trump or Hillary, but one of 'em had to win. All one can do is hope for the best now that it is over and wish whoever won good luck.
 
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"Liberals today should thank their lucky stars that this occurred because the sad truth is that if these people did not find a political voice, at some point in the future a genuinely dangerous and sincerely racist figure might show up instead. "

This needed to happen for sure Row. The amount of regressive lefts who dismiss anyone who disagrees with them as a racist or a sexist is wrong and needs to stop. Like Trump may say some very how do I put this not very smart things at times but I doubt he is a racist or a sexist.

People saying hilary did not get in cause she is a woman are fucking stupid. If she was a man she would not have even got as far as she did.

I am curious to see what trade deals we strike with Trump as he was very anti-EU so this may end up helping the UK if our government can get it's shit sorted and start planning for BREXIT. Setting us good trade links with Trump would be a good start
 
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The calling of the election being rigged was a risky but smart move. Considering the fact the Democrats fucked over Bernie, committed election fraud and colluded with the media sealed their fate.

Who would question them committing election or voter fraud on the biggest stage? The awful reporting, lies from hillary and the fed debate questions screwed them even more. The questioning made the faulty voting machines which only seem to benefit democrats made people even more angry and vigilant. People were going to be heard!

The Democrats did themselves no favors with their shady behavior, getting celebs who are the 1% to shill for them and colluding with the media on half-baked bullshit on Trump. Like true "leftists" they'll eat each other, blame minorities and sexism and people will watch and laugh. How can you not when you have morons like Patton Oswald blaming it all on simply sexism?

The people aren't going to elect to make history nor fill your pc quota crap, they elect on issues. Remember that Democrats if your party even survives the year.
 
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I think what this result shows is there is no more powerful motivator than the idea that you are a victim of injustice, and there are forces taking away what you love and care about, you need to fight and struggle to get back to an 'old better way of life' when everything was better, and if you don't you'll never be safe again.

Trump and his side were able to push that message to the nth degree, and that combined with the patriotic, nationalistic, and especially nostalgic feel was what won it for Trump today. That appeared to override all the gaffes and deplorable language in the world.

Just my 2c anyway.
 
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I think what this result shows is there is no more powerful motivator than the idea that you are a victim of injustice, and there are forces taking away what you love and care about, you need to fight and struggle to get back to an 'old better way of life' when everything was better, and if you don't you'll never be safe again.

Trump and his side were able to push that message to the nth degree, and that combined with the patriotic, nationalistic, and especially nostalgic feel was what won it for Trump today. That appeared to override all the gaffes and deplorable language in the world.

Just my 2c anyway.

One can argue that attacking Trump nonstop and colluding with the MSM which people don't trust anymore helped Trump.

Because of all the BS any actual problems got looked over as noise. Calling everything and everyone racist or sexist just made people listen less and sympathize with Trump.

You are 100% spot on!
 
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Very interesting about the white voters that came out the woodwork to vote for Trump. The numbers are very telling. It shows that when they feel systematic white supremacy is threatened they will go out of the way to vote. No doubt the racial issues and riots in America has caused these people to act. They feel as if they are under attack. Which is ridiculous because systematic white supremacy would still be protected under Hilary. These people aren't the radical racist and some of them might not even realize they are white supremacist

Then you have the for lack of a better term losers that voted for Trump because they feel that it is somehow giving the middle finger to the establishment and the elite These poor saps have been beaten down in life so much that they feel voting for Trump somehow gives them a sense of power. Ironically they are voting for one of the extreme elite and are blind to the fact that anything will really change. These suckers will stay poor and the rich will keep the money

Then let's not forget the Black people for Trump simply because they thought Hilary was a snake. Also the Black voters that are Uncle toms and fail to realize in the end supporting white supremacy does not spare you from injustice because at the end of the day your skin color will always get you shot.

Then you have the Anti Clinton crowd that voted and they would put Satan in the white house before another Clinton.

Trump picked the perfect time to run for president. White people feel that their place st the top in society is threatened so they will flock naturally. This is the brutal honest truth about the people voted.
 
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Is there any website where Trump's politics are presented in a rather neutral way?

I have really no idea about US politics so I'd like to know more about what he's doing.
I don't think anybody really knows what Trump will do. Campaign rhetoric and actual policies often don't resemble each other.

https://www.ft.com/content/01a377fa-a63c-11e6-8b69-02899e8bd9d1

Not really neutral if you consider them filthy liberal globalists like Trump supporters do but :shrug.

A Trump administration would likely be less environmentally conscious due to special interests, more protectionist in trade, cut corporate taxes to encourage job growth and repeal Obamacare. His foreign policy is up in the air because he seems clueless in that department. It would depend on who he hires as Secretary of State who probably will have more input there.
 
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Good to know the world has gone to shit and any future prospects I had in being a proud, working minority female has gone to shit. I'm genuinely ashamed of my country for letting the race come down to those two and now I absolutely despise majority of the voting country for who won.

Smh.
 
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Not sure if accurate but Russia wants a trade deal with the UK. Imagine if the UK and America can get a good deal all with each other! Peace and trade with Russia sounds great!
This sounds like a good plan for the UK after leaving the EU and would put us in a very good position economically. Peace is always better then war and while Putin is far from perfect the hostility shown towards him is awful at times. A trade deal between US, UK and Russia may end up helping the UK after leaving the EU
 
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This election's currently being called a "whitelash" against Obama, students across the country are screaming "Fuck Donald Trump", Clinton won't even give a speech to concede the election...

it's nice to know that the left can be so gracious in defeat. Can't wait for the riots, that should be fun.
 
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My congratulations to the world and USA.

Remember guys, it's better to have a clown as a president than 3rd world war.
 
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My congratulations to the world and USA.

Remember guys, it's better to have a clown as a president than 3rd world war.
What makes you think we couldn't have WWIII with a clown as a leader?

Our country is a fucking joke and a laughing stock at this point, probably seen as easy pickings, too.
 
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So I noticed Miss Sally has been banned. :(

Damn it WF, we want Hilldog locked up, not her. :mad:

EDIT: @Oda Nobunaga filled me on the details and while she didn't do anything that warranted jail time, it certainly fell under the rules for a temporary ban. Hopefully she comes back soon and drinks the tears of Hillary supporters instead of trying to bleed them to death via savage as fuck insults.
 
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Have to say as a English citizen I'm scared for America. Hopefully most of the things Trump was spouting in his campaign was just sensationalist to present himself as the non-PC candidate. But if not, I fear for you with riots, more indiscriminate killings in the streets and terrorist attacks to come. Hope I'm wrong.

I also hope he's been able to clone 5000 Chuck Norrises for bodyguards because otherwise he is going the same way as JFK
 
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