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How Islamophobia Helps ISIS and Breeds Extremism

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#1 ·
Fear of Islam and Muslims has been a visible trend since the September 11 terrorist attacks on the United States. In Europe, this trend was given fictional respectability in the name of freedom of speech.


A report recently issued by Freedom House suggests that the growing Islamophobia in Europe is threatening democracy. The report, as an article in Asharq al-Awsat put it, “portrayed a bleak picture of the state of liberal values in parts of Europe, highlighting a number of worrying trends in 29 countries in Eastern and Central Europe, as well as former Soviet states in Central Asia.”


Moreover, as a 2015 Gallup survey found, 38 percent of Americans said they would refuse to vote for a “well-qualified” Muslim candidate for U.S. president. Many Brits also manifested a similar attitude by articulating their view that Islam is a “threat to western liberal democracy.” Viewing this mounting Islamophobic trend from the point of multiculturalism, the Brits are divided along the following lines: 38 percent say it would make their country a worse place, while 37 percent think it would be a better place. The numbers on “don’t know” and “no difference” categories were 6 and 19, respectively.


We are witnessing a number of right-wing parties and their leaders in Europe who remind those who listen to their babble that Islam is “alien” to the “democratic” constitutions of a number of Western countries. The believers of this relatively new form of “racism” either know nothing about the fact that democracy guarantees the rights of its citizens to practice the faith of their choice and protects them from the tyranny of a racist and bigoted group, or else they are suffering from purposeful selective amnesia.


Lately, in the U.S., hating Islam and Muslims has been made “respectable” by Donald Trump, who mastered the highly bigoted and uninformed anti-Muslim rhetoric in the name of denigrating political correctness. But since Trump’s candidacy emerged in an era of so-called “angry white men,” who feel that the system is working against them, and, at the same time, attacks sponsored or encouraged by the so-called Islamic State are taking place in Europe and the United States, Trump’s anti-Muslim bluster has not been given the denunciation and scorn it warrants.


“Trump’s anti-Muslim bluster has not been given the denunciation and scorn it warrants.


Multiculturalism has remained one of the most controversial features of the policies of countries with large Muslim populations — the U.K., France and Germany, for example. As one study noted:


Different countries ... have followed distinct paths [of multiculturalism]. The United Kingdom has sought to give various ethnic communities an equal stake in the political system. Germany has encouraged immigrants to pursue separate lives in lieu of granting them citizenship. And France has rejected multicultural policies in favor of assimilationist ones.


These policies are generally aimed at sustaining the distinctiveness of ethnic cultures in those countries — except for France. But in reality, those policies have become a convenient excuse for the leaders of those countries to not integrate Muslim communities into the mainstream culture — through educational and vocational training programs aimed at enhancing their employability, for example — thereby leaving them marginalized. It is the responsibilities of leaders to play a visible role in making integration policies and then to make sure they are implemented earnestly. If they find that such policies are not creating their intended results, it is their responsibility to tweak those policies or even radically modify them. For the chronic social and economic separation of Muslims from the mainstream population, those governments ought to share a majority of the blame. As the noted French academic Gilles Kepel writes in his book “The War for Muslim Minds: Islam and the West”:


Neither the blood spilled by Muslims from North Africa fighting in French uniforms during both world wars nor the sweat of migrant laborers, living under deplorable living conditions, who rebuilt France (and Europe) for a pittance after 1945, has made their children, as far as the French or indeed Europeans in general are concerned, full fellow citizens.


Kepel goes on to quote the author of a book called “Naal bou la France,” referring to a curse popular in North Africa that insults a man and his lineage. The author is a radical leader of the Union of Islamic Organizations of France, a group associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, and he writes: “Oh sweet France! Are you astonished that so many of your children commune in a stinging naal bou la France, and damn your Fathers?”

Even though enlightened European leaders refuse to acknowledge any linkage between their multicultural policies and European Muslim alienation, the fact of the matter is that a large number of Muslims suffer from low levels of education, high unemployment and consequent alienation. In that state, they are easy prey for poorly educated and West-phobic imams and their incendiary religious rhetoric.


The general and ill-conceived impression on the part of mainstream populations in the aforementioned countries is that multiculturalism has failed to integrate Muslims and should be abandoned.

In the United States, Muslim alienation has remained comparatively low for two important reasons. First, a majority of Muslim immigrants to the United States have been highly educated in technical fields and do not suffer from low education or high unemployment rates. Thus, a great majority of them have traditionally rejected the angry and prickly sermons of the radicalized imams in American mosques.

Second and most importantly, the American political culture has been legendary in accepting newcomers from different cultures, ethnic backgrounds and religions. But in the post-9/11 era, the anti-U.S. rhetoric from Al Qaeda and the self-proclaimed Islamic State has created a backlash in the form of Islamophobia. When Bin Laden declared war against the United States in 1996, and the intermittent calls of ISIS to kill Americans became frequent global headlines, Islamophobia also became a frequent practice among politicians, so-called strategic thinkers and counterterrorism “specialists“ in the United States.


“The anti-U.S. rhetoric from Al Qaeda and ISIS has created a backlash in the form of Islamophobia.


Consequently, Muslims citizens in the West have become a toy, if not a pawn, in the hands of Western Islamophobes and Al Qaeda and ISIS. Muslims and their religion are targets for Islamophobic haranguing, and meanwhile ISIS gleefully tells Muslims in the West that the West hates Islam. Through its global use of social media, ISIS invites Muslims to kill Westerners. ISIS propagandists turn video clips of Western Islamophobes denouncing Muslims and their commitment to the countries of which they are citizens into powerful recruiting tools, particularly when the Islamophobes offend Islam and the prophet of Islam.


In an essay trenchantly entitled, “ISIS Wants You to Hate Muslims,” The Nation was spot on in the following observation:


The Islamophobia is racist, of course, but it also plays right into the hands of ISIS, as does the war fever. The terror group has been quite clear that its strategy is to eliminate what it calls the ‘grayzone’ where Muslims and non-Muslims live in harmony. It aims to provoke Western governments into clamping down on their own Muslim populations, the better to drive them into ISIS’s arms. In its magazine Dabiq, ISIS applauded George W. Bush’s post-9/11 language: ‘Bush spoke the truth when he said, “Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.” I.e. either you are with the crusade or you are with Islam.’


If a Republican is elected president of the United States and Islamophobia continues to escalate, the post-Obama era is going to be a very challenging one. A Republican president may be too eager to deploy ground troops to both Iraq and Syria in order to “wipe out” ISIS. While ISIS is not likely to be wiped out, the ensuing destruction of the Levant will become a place for further mushrooming of a transformed and potentially more vile version of ISIS. No one knows how intense or diminished the trend of Islamophobia will be in the coming years under a Republican administration.


If Hillary Clinton were to be next in the White House, it is likely Islamophobic rhetoric inside the United States will be tamped down. However, as a conventional liberal interventionist, Clinton is also likely to commit U.S. troops to the Levant and even to Libya, where ISIS continues to grow. The recent history of American interventionism in the Middle East has proven that it has not lessened the tide of terrorism. If anything, two victims of recent American invasions — Iraq and Afghanistan — have remained cesspools of terrorism, mayhem and the resultant incendiary instability. No matter what happens, ISIS is likely to intensify its call — “either you are with the crusade or you are with Islam.”


In the fight against ISIS and in the endeavor to eradicate Islamophobia, it is hoped that Western leaders remember the memorable words of the late Malcolm X: “The future belongs to those who prepare for it today.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ehsan-ahrari/islamophobia-isis-extremism_b_10029094.html
 
#2 · (Edited)
Another typically stupid and insulting HuffPo pile of steaming garbage that manages to both blame non-Muslims for not excusing Muslim bad behavior and also infantilizes Muslims at the same time.

That kind of thing tends to happen when you're the type of person who loves the smell of their own farts.

A few quick questions the moronic author of the article would never be able to coherently answer:

How does not wishing to vote for a Muslim politician deny Muslims the right to practice their religion?

The classic, how is a system of beliefs a race?

How does the concept of freedom of speech inherently confer validity to all speech? Because that's what you're arguing.

How is a system of belief that explicitly states that political and legal power comes from theological study of religious texts, not the masses, not "anti-democratic"?

I could go on but it all basically boils down to the author is a proto-fascist who is quite ignorant and is throwing a temper tantrum because the validity of his own name-calling and ignorant speech is not as accepted as he would like.
 
#3 ·
This is some of the dumbest shit I've read in awhile.

First of all, fuck democracy. Democracy gets people like me KILLED in Saudi Arabia just because I am an ex muslim. Secondly, Western people SHOULD hate & fear islamic power and muslims SHOULD be shamed no differently than christians were and still are. Islam is a disgusting wretched vile cult.

I am not a western, I'm not Aryan I'm not European I'm not American. I'm from the fucking middle east, with a muslim family, and I STILL say western people have EVERY RIGHT to vilify islam non stop and shame muslims into confessing their beliefs and make sure EVERYONE fears & hates islam no differently to how we view Nazism.

Also Trump might have dumb fuck white people who feel like victims for supporters sometimes, but many of his white supporters have legitimate reasons to be angry and this again is coming from a middle eastern. Trump defends America from becoming a muslim ghetto like some places in Europe are like, nothing wrong with that (actually quite noble from Trump).

Also where did this idea come from that hating islam was promoting ISIS? Hating islam brings out the REAL muslims out of their shells, promoting islam leads to people joining ISIS happily since ISIS follow islam fully and vilifying islam promotes people to either leave islam or join ISIS, the latter has more positive results with ex muslims like me appearing. So yes, vilifying islam should be a fucking past time worldwide.

I'm not even kidding when I say my girlfriend (who is British) used to not mind islam much, but thanks to me I've turned her into a major anti islamic person and I'm doing the same thing with all of the western people I know and I'm going to keep doing it to make sure the west doesn't suffer the same fate the middle east has. I won't fucking stop, there's no way I'm going to let the west with all that's beautiful about it be ruined with the malevolent brainwashing of islam.



Being "Islamophobic" is being ISISphobic. ISIS are following Islam without being hypocrites like the so called moderates, A LOT of ISIS's new recruits grew up in moderate muslim families who did their research on Islam and went "well, looks like I must follow Allah properly". Normalizing islam, is normalizing a vile barbaric violent cult.



Even this Egyptian host admits that ISIS are following Islam properly!

- Islam promotes wife beating

- Islam promotes the killing of ex muslims

- Islam promotes the killing of homosexuals

- Islam promotes the killing of polytheists

- Islam promotes the killing of atheists

- Islam promotes the idea of killing adulterers

- Islam promotes the forced extra taxation of christians/jews

- Islam promotes the idea that drinking camel urine is fine

- Islam promotes the idea that most people in hell are WOMEN

- Islam promotes the idea of admiring the pedophile that was Mohammed

- Islam promotes the killing of raped women if they have no witnesses

- Islam promotes the idea of killing animals since they BELONG to humans

- Islam promotes the idea that women should NEVER lead nations

- Islam promotes the idea of FORCING ISLAM ON THE ENTIRE WORLD

I can show you quran verses & hadiths showing you how I'm NOT making this shit up, I've lived long enough around muslims in muslim nations and read all their teachings to know things even most muslims don't know about islam.


How the FUCK can anyone not hate & fear islam knowing all of this?!?!?!
 
#8 · (Edited)
- Islam promotes wife beating

- Islam promotes the killing of ex muslims

- Islam promotes the killing of homosexuals

- Islam promotes the killing of polytheists

- Islam promotes the killing of atheists

- Islam promotes the idea of killing adulterers

- Islam promotes the forced extra taxation of christians/jews

- Islam promotes the idea that drinking camel urine is fine

- Islam promotes the idea that most people in hell are WOMEN

- Islam promotes the idea of admiring the pedophile that was Mohammed

- Islam promotes the killing of raped women if they have no witnesses

- Islam promotes the idea of killing animals since they BELONG to humans

- Islam promotes the idea that women should NEVER lead nations

- Islam promotes the idea of FORCING ISLAM ON THE ENTIRE WORLD


And do you believe that every Muslim takes this away from their religion? It's like equating all Christians to the Westborough Baptist church (a group who in exactly the same way try to turn religion into a means to justify their actions).

That's how extremist groups of all religions have justified their actions for thousands of years.



When there is a gun debate, the right is quick to point out that a small percentage of morons are responsible for a lot of the danger which is a totally valid argument.

Why then when is it not valid that a small percentage of morons are responsible for the perceived threat of Islam?


7% of children are abused by their families, that's around the same percentage as Muslims who support ISIS, by the logic of condemning Muslims we should take all children from their families at birth?

Are all Germans Nazis?

Do all French people run away?

Do all British people love the Queen?

Are all Americans gun toting money grabbing morons?

Assuming all Muslims are bad is as stupid as assuming all black guys are awesome at basketball


There was a sensationalist news story about how 1000 UK Muslims have joined ISIS not long ago and it gets thrown around by the right wing publications alot but they very rarely elaborate and mention that represents only 0.05% of Muslims in the UK.
 
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The guy who coined the term "Islamaphobia" has come out and said he was totally wrong and that Muslims aren't assimilating. The leftist narrative is dead and buried. Islam is incompatible with western values, which Europe knew for hundreds of years until white Europeans became so uniquely self-critical that they wrongly decided they needed to start letting people who aren't self-critical at all into their countries with a history of hatred and contempt toward Europe and it's values en masse.

Europeans (anyone who has truly assimilated, regardless of race) need to stop being so self-critical and wake up and realize they have something worth protecting, and that means keeping people with wildly different values and no intention of assimilating into an objectively superior culture the fuck out.
 
#5 ·
People who write shit like this are why eventually Western society will fall to a backwards Religious culture. You cannot give protection to a Religion that hates everything you stand for, people who won't assimilate and have zero respect for women and expect any good to come from it. There are secular Muslims yes but the people being shipped in aren't secular, heck Turkey is keeping all the educated migrants to themselves! These white guilt morons who think that "Islamophobia" breeds a bunch of bad stuff is silly, Christians get made fun of all the time and shit on, yet to see a Christian ISIS rise up or Christians rising up and causing problems.

Just one excuse after the next from leftists who will turn and flee once their experiment gets out of hand.
 
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TBH, that's just another excuse (but people that are sympathetic or against Islam just don't want to understand the difference) for someone that was going to get radicalized anyways.

It's not the cause. It can never be the cause just as violence in video games is not the cause of school shooters.

I've been over this in many of these threads before that the excuses and justifications terrorists give for the radicalization are not the same as the causes of their radicalization because we have counter evidence of hundreds of millions of Muslims not getting radicalized either as a result of their religious beliefs or as a result of being hated. 10's of thousands of civilians in the Muslim world have been butchered by western military forces and their local terrorists and even then they're not taking up arms and instead still trying to live out whatever wreck their lives are in peace. So to suggest that mild hatred they face in western countries will somehow cause them all to become terrorists is just as ridiculous.

There's more here than just Islam or Islamophobia, but people want their simplest narrative to be the one that's true.

The issues are far deeper than most people are capable of understanding (or acknowledging as I've learnt through experience trying to talk to them) so we get people on both sides talking about the most derivative things when it comes to this highly complex problem.
 
#9 ·
drinking camel piss?

that's a fairly specific thing to be singled out to be put in a holy book.

didn't London just elect a Muslim Mayor? to be honest all i saw was a kid bought up in a council house who has done well for himself but im sure i can be spun any way you like.
 
#12 ·
Extermism will exist with or without Islamophobia. You can welcome Islam with open arms and there will still be extremists, because extremism is inherent to religions, book religions especially. There will always be people who follow the teachings of Qu'ran or the Bible or the Torah fundamentally, leading to huge conflicts with the modern world.

The only thing we should worry about is how to create a dialogue with the sensible people from the Muslim world, the ones who bear the brunt of the punishment from the extremists and continue to fight against them.

The extremists are a lost cause, and have been for the past several centuries. There's no need to garner sympathy for them, because I can guarantee that they have no sympathy for the living. Their only concerns are with the next world, not of this one.

They have given up on life, and only serve to cause endless pain and suffering for those who wish to live their lives peacefully.
 
#14 ·
Neither the blood spilled by Muslims from North Africa fighting in French uniforms during both world wars nor the sweat of migrant laborers, living under deplorable living conditions, who rebuilt France (and Europe) for a pittance after 1945, has made their children, as far as the French or indeed Europeans in general are concerned, full fellow citizens.
First off, the idea that muslims sacrified themselves for France is typical socialist revisionism because most of Maghreb immigration happened way after 1945 when France was already rebuilt. Truth is people who died during the war were French and immigrants who took part in the reconstruction were Europeans like my own grandfather who was Italian.

Secondly, what this guy failed to explain is that muslims aren't respected as full fellow citizens because in the long history of immigration in France, they are the only community who refused assimilation as they consider their religion is more important than being a respected community. If anything, muslims alienated themselves.
 
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I don't like the term Islamophobia.

I'm not afraid of Islam, I just know it's a religion that promotes violence and I don't want it to spread like it is. It's like homophobia, nobody is afraid of gay people, they just don't believe in homosexuality and don't support it.

Suddenly you're pegged as afraid and behind the times. You're gonna be on the wrong side of history not accepting Islam into your life! Think of the M&Ms!
 
#37 ·
Yes, and I know it happens both ways. Here's the thing about Christianity, though. At least from what I've seen, it isn't about heaven or hell or invisible entities; it's about community and holding yourself accountable to being the best version of yourself within that community. If anyone is against that, I think there's a big problem with them.
 
#38 ·
I've glossed over articles with similar subjects and I'll just have to say that I agree that it could , not will, have that effect on some at-odds Muslims. It's not exactly hard to understand that treating someone like they are a criminal on a daily basis will mentally upset them, but what they do with that still will vary individually and I don't think that they're all going to go extremist even with the shit they have to put up with from the bigots out there.
 
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Here's the thing, it doesn't matter how many Muslims don't like ISIS or other terrorists when there are governments (Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia) or rich Muslims (Saudi Arabia) or influential Islamic theologians (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, all over the world really, in Western countries too) who give terrorists support and fund theological institutions (all those Saudi funded mosques and Wahhabist/Salafist institutions literally ALL OVER THE WORLD) that teach Islamic supremacism and that Muslims should hate Westerners, Easterners, "apostates," non-Muslims (Jews especially) etc.
 
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Taliban received the entirety of its funding from the US throughout the 80's.

ISIS is an off-shoot and amalgamation of several groups that have been funded by the US as a result of a decade long war led by the US where they consistently chose whatever side they felt was most sympathetic to their cause without any foresight whatsoever.... The majority of ISIS resources and weaponry is American. They didn't buy it from the americans with Suadi money :lol

Blaming other governments (all that happen to be muslim btw), while completely ignoring the role of western non-muslim governments is an incredibly cherry-picked argument.

Now there are elements within muslim countries that continue to support terrorism but the US also keeps picking the wrong groups to support and fund heavily as well. At least in the case of Pakistan the government has expended a vast amount of military resources in an internal war against the Taliban which the western media absolutely refuses to report while cherry-picking that one random news about a one off kill here or there through their drone strikes. Meanwhile Pakistan has led over dozens of military operations in just 2 years against the Taliban. Look up Operation Rah-e-Shahadat and Operation Zarb-e-Azb. In the last 3 years, Pakistan's military has fought a winning war where they've managed to reduce casualties due to Taliban terrorism in the country by 40%.
 
#46 · (Edited)
The problem boils down to the premise that Islamic culture is not compatible with Western Civilization just like it is not compatible with Far East Asian Civilization(the vast majority of China, Japan, the Koreas and most of the southeast Asian mainland). There are good individual Muslims but Islamic culture overall is just not compatible with Western Civilization. The whole history of Islam the past fourteen hundred years has been one of military aggression with the intent to convert non Muslims and not assimilate into the culture of conquered countries. In other words the Islamic religion has to be the dominant religion no ifs ands or buts in countries they take control over. It is true that not all Muslims are extreme but the old adage reigns true that a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch. It might be only one out of a lot of Muslims statistically that may be extreme but after 9/11 it is only natural that Americans are concerned about extreme Islam. It has been centuries since much of Europe has had to deal with extreme Islam on a large scale but 9/11 is still fresh on the minds of many Americans.
 
#48 ·
True pure Biblical based Christianity does not seek to enforce and basically compel non Christians to convert to Christianity. Conversion to Christianity is supposed to be a changing of the heart from a spiritual experience with repentance but not a basically forced conversion or a matter of coercion from being conquered. Jesus stated that His kingdom was not of this world and the Kingdom of God at least in this current dispensation is a spiritual one. From the onset, Islam has been a religion of conquest. Although nations have been conquered under the guise of Christianity-pure Christianity in of itself is not about power and forced submission by being conquered.
 
#50 ·
Islam was once compatible with technology and modernization. Then again so was Christianity (see: Lemaître). It's only when you go full fuckin' retard that you become a literalist and say "ok, non-Islamics are heretics thus they must die."

In the end I don't fear Islam overall. I do, however, feel fucking unnerved when some lunatic possesses firearms and bombs threatening to kill me and others, religion notwithstanding (yes, atheists do it too.)
 
#53 ·
People do bad shit for their own fucked up reasons, maybe because they didn't get enough love as a child, who the fuck knows? They tie their motives to institutions like religion because they're too afraid to admit they actually come from within. To attribute all these bad deeds to a belief system and not the psyche of the imperfect human is too simplistic, we need to ditch this blaming of Islam, it's too easy and we should be looking deeper.
 
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