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Active shooter in Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood parking lot.

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#1 ·
Last updated at 11:19 p.m. Friday

Colorado Springs Police confirm a UCCS Police Officer and two civilians died in Friday's Planned Parenthood shooting.

University of Colorado Police identified the officer who was killed as Garrett Swasey, 44.

An additional nine people were taken to the hospital with gunshot wounds, five of them are officers. All nine are in good condition, police said.

UCCS Chancellor Pam Shockley-Zalabak said in a statement that a UCCS Police Officer responded to the scene at around 11:50 a.m. in support of an officer who was under fire.

Six victims were taken to Penrose Hospital. Three were taken to Memorial Hospital.

Hospital telephone numbers have been established for family members to call and ask about their loved ones. They are follows:

Memorial Hospital – 719-365-5556
Penrose Hospital – 719-776-6637

The city of Colorado Springs has also established an information number for victims' families. That number is 719-385-7135.

The shooting suspect surrendered to officers at 4:52 p.m. Police say they have not yet confirmed his motive.

Multiple news organizations, including the Associated Press, reported Friday evening that the suspect had been identified as Robert Lewis Dear. Colorado Springs Police have not confirmed that information.

The shooting began around 11:40 a.m. Police spent the afternoon rescuing dozens of hostages from the building, which is located in the 3400 block of Centennial Boulevard on the northwest side of the city.

Some victims fled to a nearby bank for help.

At a news conference following the shooter's arrest, police said officers were going to check the building room-by-room to make sure there aren't any victims still inside.
More information - http://www.krdo.com/news/breaking-active-shooter-reported-at-planned-parenthood/36684340
 
#4 ·
More gun violence in America, more senseless death from homegrown maniacs. But its okay America has closed its borders and are keeping Syrian refugee's out of the country while they bomb the shit out of the middle east...priorities.

And let me guess if everyone was armed no one would have died...even though an armed police officer was killed.

Also I cant even fathom the retardation of trying to stop abortion by killing people, upset about the loss of what isn't yet a life so you go out and take life from innocent people...

Murica!
 
#5 ·
Read that link I posted about Army of God.

In 90s abortion clinics were blowing up monthly to twice a month. Course most don't remember cause media never returns to old stories.

There was an abortion clinic about 2 hours north of me that was bombed in mid 90s, luckily no one was there, it was weekend and closed, but when it blew wood from the building did damage to some cars nearby, and rest of the clinic burned to ground.

I get they're pro life but they are nutters.

The most famous Army of God bomber was Eric Rudolph
 
#9 ·
Horrible story really. It's so bizarre how divided the US is on so many issues.



In their eyes everyone that gets an abortion and anyone that helps perform an abortion are all murderers. So it's not like they're viewing them as innocents. Their logic is actually pretty sound. If the people trained to give abortions get killed then they can't give abortions. And if they born all the abortion clinics to the ground it's also more difficult to get an abortion. And it makes people afraid to go to abortion clinics as well.
 
#13 ·
And some people claim there are no christian terrorist LOL

They will just blame this on mental illness since he is white and christian but of course if this was a muslim that did it, they wouldn't have a mental illness and people would be calling for all muslims to be deported and Islam in the US to be banned.

I also love how people that thump their bible and claim abortion is against Gods will really dont read the bible. The bible condones abortion but they are too stupid to even realize that.
 
#14 ·
And some people claim there are no christian terrorist LOL
In a lot of reports they're not even mentioning the fact that christianity had anything to do with it. The motive is unclear? Like do you think that people are fucking stupid that they won't be able to realize that someone shooting up planned parenthood doesn't have an anti-abortion religiously motivated agenda?

The thing that irks me is that there is a great deal of nuance and thought put into investigating and reporting in a shooting case involving a white shooter. I'm not condemning it because that in itself is bad, I condemn and ridicule it because knowing that nuance exists and that the media is capable of it when it comes to white terrorists - the same diligence is not awarded to other cases involving assumed "muslims" or non-whites. In that case, it seems clear that the reporting is intentionally biased.
 
#20 · (Edited)
I seriously wonder if McVeigh had blown up that building in Oklahoma City after 9/11 that he might not have been called a terrorist.



in fact holy shit if you google Timothy McVeigh this is what you get:

Timothy James McVeigh was an American militant who detonated a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.
what the fuck

At least wiki acknowledges it was a terrorist attack etc

The Oklahoma City bombing was a domestic terrorist bomb attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995
 
#29 ·
I seriously wonder if McVeigh had blown up that building in Oklahoma City after 9/11 that he might not have been called a terrorist.



in fact holy shit if you google Timothy McVeigh this is what you get:



what the fuck

At least wiki acknowledges it was a terrorist attack etc
Its disgraceful the way that terrorism seems to be limited to Muslims by the western media. All religions and all types of peoples have commited terrorist acts but we're told that only Muslims can be terrorists.
 
#11 · (Edited)
Baffling news report that seems focused on character branding while searching a motive? http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/28/colorado-springs-shooting-suspect-planned-parenthood-robert-lewis-dear

James Russell, who lives down the mountain from Dear’s cabin in North Carolina, told the Associated Press that when Lewis spoke with him he would ramble, avoid eye contact and not make sense. Russell said he had not spoken to Lewis about issues such as abortion or religion.

Dear’s North Carolina cabin is outside Asheville, though he is also said to have lived in a house in nearby Swannanoa. His neighbor said the cabin had no running water or electricity.

“If you talked to him, nothing with him was very cognitive – topics all over place,” said Russell.

Colorado’s Park County sheriff’s office said the shooting suspect also had a residence in Hartsel, Colorado. It was closed to public access on Saturday morning.

According to public records, Dear has lived in North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia and has a record of brushes with the law. In South Carolina in January 2003, he was arrested on two counts of animal cruelty. He was found not guilty by Colleton County court.
Our culture and laws enabled the Colorado shooter, whatever his motive
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In the same county in 2002, Dear faced a misdemeanor charge for “peeping tom, eavesdropping or peeping”. The charges were dismissed at a preliminary hearing.
No motive? This Dear guy was kitted out with a rifle, ammo and
An hour earlier, police said progress in securing the building was slowed by the fact that the gunman brought "some bags" with him into the clinic and left several items outside, all of which needed to be checked for possible booby traps or explosives.

After the arrest, Buckley said it would take hours more, and perhaps days, for investigators to fully process the crime scene.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/colorado-springs-planned-parenthood-abortion-6916035

so there's no doubt it was planned which leads to a motive behind doing such a sick act - bizarre. Hopefully they discover this during his questioning..
 
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so there's no doubt it was planned which leads to a motive behind doing such a sick act - bizarre. Hopefully they discover this during his questioning..
The guy's white. Of course there's going to be a very. very, very thorough investigation. There always is in cases which involve a white terrorist. Of course they're going to be thorough about their exact motives. I mean that one time that white atheist shot three muslims, it was because of a parking space and had NOTHING to do with the fact that his victims were all Muslims or that he had worked himself up in a frenzy about how much he hated religion. Nope. It was nothing but a tiff over a parking space.

Eventually, we're going to get every reason under the sun and a statement claiming that these homegrown white terrorists don't actually have a profile -- when all of them actually do. The home-grown suburban terrorist/mass shooter is pretty much always white, mentally ill, reclusive, socially awkward, conservative, gun lover ... but that's not a profile :shrug Because if you developed a profile, you might actually be able to control gun sales to such assholes.
 
#27 ·
The constitution had changed to adopt to a modern society about guns. You just don't think it's changed enough. When the Constitution was written I could go and buy a weapon that was of similar or better quality than the American military would use. I cannot do that now.
 
#28 · (Edited)
Fair enough, I've read a lot of decent arguments in favour of altering it further (from past politicians and supreme court judges) which is really where I'm coming from on this issue.

I'm not a Christian and not in favor of abortion. I think in most instances women that get abortions are horrible and selfish people. I don't think very highly of people that provide abortions either. I would say worse about them but I won't since we're talking about them getting attacked by a lunatic. That's not based on my religious views at all. I'm happy that gay marriage has been legalized and generally think that religion as a whole creates more hate than it does anything else. But yeah I really dislike the idea of abortions.
I'm not 100% pro abortion either. I think abortion should be bourne out of absolute necessity as opposed to being done as a method of birth control. I actually agreed with the idea that Planned Parenthood shouldn't have had government funding but only because it's very self-sufficient as government funding was actually a small chunk of their overall financials. There are other reasons for me personally opposing Planned Parenthood (there have been cases of people specifically calling PP with racist agendas to push for abortions of african americans posing as racists with them not giving an actual damn about receiving donations from racists) .. But shooting it up and terrorising all those who want to get abortions is completely crazy.

Also, even though BM was being hyperbolic with his statement, I tend to find that the most over-zealous ones .. the ones that are radicalized enough to partake in actual murder for their anti-abortionist cause tend to be majority Christians.
 
#73 ·
My thoughts and prayers to those that were killed by this terrorist action and to their families. I hope that they give this motherfucker the death penalty, he deserves it.

The whole abortion issue is every bit as divisive as gay marriage. I have found that out when I've told people my stance. Personally, I am against abortion, but I won't take that right away from someone. After all, it is the woman's choice ultimately. However, you have the militants on both sides that call me out. One side says that abortion should be outlawed with no exceptions and for me to say that a woman should have that choice makes me a murderer. The other side says that I'm a Christian nut because I'm against the taking of the beginning of a human life. Regardless of where we believe life starts, the end result is that a child is born.

As for the issues of gun control, once again (and I will say this until I'm blue in the face), we have gun control laws on the books not properly being enforced. Enforce those first, and you can solve a lot of these issues. As a gun owner and an apologist for the 2nd Amendment, I have no problem whatsoever with background and mental checks on those who want to own a firearm. But, folks either shit on me for wanting a background check or they hammer me for wanting us to have guns at all. There is that group out there that won't be satisfied until all firearms are outlawed in this country.

The more this happens, the more it makes me want to bring my piece everywhere, and I'd rather not have to do that.
 
#85 ·
Like I said, you use that type of logic to skew the numbers the way you want to. Also you know what would prevent those blacks from committing all those murders


BETTER GUN CONTROL. And like I said using your logic, why would whites care , better gun control would just be keeping guns out of the hands of all those blacks and not the law abiding white citizens right ?
 
#102 ·
I always find debates about gun with people from diffract nations hilarious

The US is not the UK which is not Canada which is not Malaysia which is not Germany etc.

All these nations have centuries of cultural evolution that have lead norms and values in different directions

To say "this does not happen in my country" is ignorant because the social development was completely different and to say others need to live up to your standard is bigoted as hell

"But what about all the mass shootings?"

The US has one of the most culturally diverse populations in the world. Nearly every major state and territory has completely different cultures and for some like Cali and Texas might as well be different nations. With a cultural layout like this nearly anyone (especially with the internet) can lock themselves into an echo chamber till the point that they become a raving fanatic.

If those go on a shooting spree should guns be restricted to make it harder for it to happen again. US values say no as people should be judged individually rather than as a group.

People also need to factor in that for all the hype the US government gets it is extremely weak and slow moving in domestic affairs that are not universally accepted. It was designed to be so to prevent abuse.

The second amendment was crated as a counter to most governments at the time which often "disarmed" "dangerous groups" who were not "responsible enough to have guns"

The first attempt of gun control in the US was against former slaves because they were "clearly" to fucking stupid to have guns and if they did they might kill a bunch of white women or something

The amendment was created so that the government could not say who and who not were allowed to arm themselves. It was left up to states and cities who have a far better perspective on the wants and needs of their local populations and personally I think it was a genius idea that would allow everyone to be happy

But now and days people want dramatic sweeping changes overnight based on current events which the government was designed to prevent

Personally it supports my theory that people subconsciously want a dictator, a man of action who does what ever he wants
 
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Abortion is vile. Only the ignorant and/or immoral support it. Quite honestly, I view the deaths of abortionists the same way I view the deaths of terrorists. There's a sense of sadness that a human being could go so wrong, yet at the same time, there's no doubting the fact that the world is a better place without them.

As for all the nonsense about gun control: I can't take gun control nuts seriously. I had a friend on Facebook who posted an anti-gun rant. Not an hour later he was bragging about how much alcohol he drinks. You know, the same alcohol which leads to 3x as many deaths each years as guns (excluding suicides). It was at the very moment I realized he was nothing but your typical brain-dead liberal parrot who was simply repeating the party agenda. I unfriended him.
 
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I gave plenty of facts. its 80% by my numbers that the pro life crowd is religious. That is a FACT not an assumption.

The definition of terrorism is the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. christians do that all the time when it comes to gay marriage or abortion but you never EVER hear the media call those acts terrosim but we all know if it was a Muslim group doing it, they would be all over it calling it terrorism.

The westboro baptist church and the hand of god group are two of the biggest christian terrorist groups in the country.

Christians do this all the time when it comes to abortion and even gay marriage. But you never hear the media all those acts of intimidation or violence terrorism.
Its a fact that Fox news and the people they have one that they back and agree with that Christians are persecuted when they cant push their believes onto others. I even gave two examples with the whole Christmas thing and how they felt that way when they cant prevent gays from getting married anymore. It was an even bigger joke with the whole starbucks thing and claiming their new cups was a war on Christmas.
Those are cold hard facts.
 
#43 ·
He was performing late abortions. Kidding, that aside blanket banning of guns won't help. Not when your society usually has dozens of warning signs someone may do something bad but nobody ever steps in to stop them beforehand. Maybe we just need more cameras, police and monitoring of citizens. That should help. Perhaps forced hospitalization for anyone that meets the standard of the Governments of an "imminent threat".

Also there are Christian terrorists running around just like there are atheists ones or whatever. But so far there isn't twenty thousand different groups with actual armies like Muslim Terrorists do or with global reach. I consider street gangs to be domestic terrorists but I wouldn't say they're on the same standing as ISIS the Taliban or almost 99% of those islamic groups.
 
#71 ·
I'm not a big fan of abortion, my wifes best friend cheated on a friend of mine, let the guy spill her beans in her then decides to have an abortion? Fuck you, you kill a potential child because you can't keep your legs shut.

That being said, I believe in the right to an abortion for whatever lame and pathetic reason you want, in the same way religion is fucking pathetic but you should be allowed to be pathetic.

Also, why did the good guy with the gun not stop this?
 
#78 · (Edited)
Eventually, we're going to get every reason under the sun and a statement claiming that these homegrown white terrorists don't actually have a profile -- when all of them actually do. The home-grown suburban terrorist/mass shooter is pretty much always white, mentally ill, reclusive, socially awkward, conservative
Agree, this was whole point to my post where already media have profiled the guy as a social misfit loner who has mental challenges which news-media reports were quick to point out :-

Lewis spoke with him he would ramble, avoid eye contact and not make sense.
His neighbor said the cabin had no running water or electricity.

“If you talked to him, nothing with him was very cognitive – topics all over place,” said Russell.
Dear faced a misdemeanor charge for “peeping tom, eavesdropping or peeping”. The charges were dismissed at a preliminary hearing.
he was arrested on two counts of animal cruelty. He was found not guilty by Colleton County court.
Now here's the slip-up, if the guy was a socially inept rambler then how did he avoid all charges prior or does he have access to a quality Lawyer? Surely if he was seen as a misfit committing neglect towards animals and being socially intrusive then why wasn't he charged? Wouldn't he be considered within court as needing mental health treatment?

Latest news reports conflict again http://live.drjays.com/index.php/2015/11/29/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooter-said-no-more-baby-parts/

The man arrested for killing three and wounding several others at the Planned Parenthood facility in Colorado Springs, CO reportedly made comments about “no more baby parts,” according to a law enforcement official and witnesses. The comments reflect a recent smear campaign against the women’s health organization and abortion provider.

Robert Lewis Dear, 57, has been described as a drifter and malcontent who had previous run-ins with the law, including for domestic violence.(??) He opened fire at the crowded clinic on Friday. The facility went into lockdown. Dear is accused of the fatal shooting of University of Colorado police officer Garrett Swasey and two as-yet-unnamed civilians.
His comments in relation to
an anti-abortion group released heavily edited videos of Planned Parenthood officials discussing their program of donating fetal tissue for medical research. The organization only accepts money to cover costs of the procedure, not profit from it. Also, one video featured video of a fetus being dissected. It implied the fetus had been aborted, but it was actually stillborn.
Then we get this outburst revelation with this very detailed press release complete with photos http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3338454/We-end-times-paranoid-online-ramblings-Colorado-Planned-Parenthood-shooter-ranted-apocalypse-quoted-Bible-seeking-sadomasochistic-sex.html

The recluse accused of killing three people and wounding nine in an attack on a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado posted ranted about the apocalypse and posted Biblical passages online - while also seeking sadomasochistic sex.
Since his 2000 divorce, Dear seems to have become a loner who lived a quiet life - but he appears to have been much more aggressive online - seeking bondage and sadomasochistic sex online and companions to smoke marijuana with.

He also appears to have posted a series of Biblical ramblings on the message boards of Cannabis.com ten years ago under a username apparently linked to Dear.

The New York Daily News reported that, in December 2005, the user posted 'aids, hurricanes, we are in the end times' and 'accept the LORD JESUS while you can.'
Staunch anti-abortionist Mike Huckabee, former Arkansas governor and presidential hopeful, has spoken out to decry the shooting.

He branded Dear a 'terrorist' and said views on abortion are no defense for mass murder.

'What he did is domestic terrorism, and what he did is absolutely abominable, especially to us in the pro-life movement, because there's nothing about any of us that would condone or in any way look the other way on something like this,' Huckabee told CNN on Sunday.

He added: 'There's no legitimizing, there's no rationalizing. It was mass murder. It was absolutely unfathomable. And there's no excuse for killing other people, whether it's happening inside the Planned Parenthood headquarters, inside their clinics where many millions of babies die, or whether it's people attacking Planned Parenthood.'
Undoubtedly he deserves Life sentence but why wasn't he picked up as in dire need of mental-health treatment years before?
 
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https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

This is about murders. About 3,000 white people and 2,500 black people were murdered in 2013.

White people killed 2509 white people, 189 black people, 32 people of "other race," and 25 people of unknown race. 2755 Total.

Black people killed 409 white people, 2245 black people, 27 people of "other race," and 17 people of unknown race. 2689 total.

So yeah it's pretty close to 50/50 as far as murder by race goes.
 
#86 ·
Committing murder to stop murders.

It feels so redundant that it needs to be explained with an Xzibit/Pimp My Ride meme.
 
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