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#1 ·
Yesterday at work, this guy and I were talking about being attacked by different types of animals. Whether it was snakes, spiders, dogs or something worse. Somehow I think it started as how much it would suck to have to kill a lion with your bare hands. I openly wondered if it would not be worse to find yourself in that situation with a bear instead. We could not come to a consensus other than to agree that either lion or bear would definitely be hard to survive.

This morning on my way home from work... I was listening to the radio and heard a story of a man who just a few days ago was attacked by a grizzly bear while out bow hunting in the woods of Montana. As you can imagine, I found this interesting. As it turns out, the bear was sleeping as he was making his way through the woods, and after he startled it awake it immediately went after him. It bit him on the head and on the leg and threw him to the ground. Somehow, he remembered a news article his grandmother gave him that mentioned how large animals have bad gag reflexes. So with an incredible presence of mind considering the circumstances, the man shoved his right arm down the bear's throat. This caused the bear to leave without harming him any further.

Such a thing would never have occurred to me, but in the future if confronted by an angry 400 pound grizzly bear I feel safer knowing all I have to do is get my arm in its mouth and shove it as far as I can. If anyone has any tips for surviving (unarmed) an attack by a lion I would appreciate anything you have to add.

Link to news article: http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2015/10/05/chase-dellwo-recounts-saturdays-grizzly-attack/73348328/

The ability to suppress panic and an article clipped from a magazine and passed along by his grandmother helped Chase Dellwo, 26, survive a grizzly bear mauling Saturday morning northwest of Choteau.

He has a couple hundred stitches and staples in his head, some stitches on his face, a bruised and swollen left eye and deep puncture wounds on his right leg. He also has an incredible story to tell of a tangle with a 350-400 pound male grizzly. It is a story that has a good ending and no villains.

"I want everyone to know that it wasn't the bear's fault, he was as scared as I was," Dellwo said from his hospital bed at Benefis Health System Sunday afternoon.


GREAT FALLS TRIBUNE
Man expected to survive after grizzly mauling on Front

Chase Dellwo and his brother Shane, 30, headed out Saturday morning to bow hunt for elk. The wind was blowing 30 to 40 miles per hour with snow and rain.

The brothers spotted an elk herd and decided to have Chase walk up a narrow creek bed, hoping he would drive the animals up to a ridge where Shane would wait.

"About 8 to 10 minutes in I heard a bull bugle, so I quickened my pace," Chase said.

It wasn't until he was just three feet away that he realized he was approaching a bear that had been sleeping. The windy conditions meant the bear was as surprised as Dellwo.

"I had an arrow nocked, and I put my bow up in front of me and took two or three steps back," he said. "There wasn't any time to draw my bow back."

The bear knocked Dellwo off his feet and bit down on the top and back of his head.

"He let go, but he was still on top of me roaring the loudest roar I have ever heard," Dellwo said.

The bear left and Dellwo managed to sit up.

"He came back and bit my lower right leg and gave it a pretty good shake and threw me a ways," he said.

The bear came after him again.

"I remembered an article that my grandmother gave me a long time ago that said large animals have bad gag reflexes," Dellwo said. "So I shoved my right arm down his throat."

It worked. The bear left.

Dellwo started to walk out, bloodied and disoriented.

"I saw a six point elk on the way out, that was disappointing," he said with a laugh.

He wasn't laughing at the time however.

"I forced myself to calm down and not to panic," he said. "I was lost. I cleared the blood out of my eyes. If I had allowed myself to panic I would still be in there."

He made it out of the drainage and found Shane.

"He was lifting his bow above his head and kind of waving it and I thought he had shot an elk," Shane said. "He had to tell me he had been bitten by a bear."

Shane was worried that Chase had sustained injuries to his abdomen or back that could be life threatening. Once they determined that was not the case, they high-tailed it to the Benefis Teton Medical Center.

"It took about 20 minutes, 20 minutes of driving too fast," Chase said.

Shane called ahead and the hospital staff was waiting.

"Thank goodness we have that facility available," he said.

Chase's wife Becca was at home in Belgrade when she got the call from her brother-in-law.

"Normally, I would be hunting with him," she said. "I was just relieved when I saw him."

She said the family is grateful for the excellent care Chase received at both Benefis Teton Medical Center and Benefis in Great Falls.

Chase expects to be released from the hospital in the next day or two and will probably sit out the rest of this archery season.

"I shoot with my left hand and my left eye is pretty beat up and swollen," he said

But he plans to chase elk when rifle season opens.

Growing up in Teton County, Saturday's bear encounter was not his first.

"We had a bear in our house when we were kids and last fall there was one in the back of my dad's pickup," Chase said. "I've had bears charge me before, but until Saturday, the closest was about 20 yards."

Chase was not carrying bear spray and the windy conditions probably wouldn't have allowed it to be effective. The speed of the encounter wouldn't have allowed time to discharge any spray.

But when asked if he had advice for others after being mauled by a bear Saturday Chase and Becca answered in unison.

"Carry bear spray."
 
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Not really relevant. But there's a zoo here that no one knows about. I go every few months, and no one works there, past taking your money at the door. The animals are easily accessible if you've got the balls. So, I've been petting these baby timberwolves, and they love me. Even remembered me months later. Then decided to move up to a tiger. A female Bengal. Their purrs are so bassy in person btw. But anyway, I get up to the cage, about to piss my self, and touch her back. She then rolls over with the force of God, demanding I continue petting her. She could've just eaten me. So yeah. I now am probably going to die at this zoo while I continue to touch things I shouldn't.
 
#6 · (Edited)
Where the hell is this zoo at?!

About the Grizzly, I don't think I could stick my hand down its throat, what if it bit down which it probably would? There goes your arm. I guess I would try my best and go for the eyes. I wish most animals weren't killers, I would love to kick back against a grizzly bear or tiger etc etc. I view my house cats as little lions just roaming around the house.
 
#9 · (Edited)
Somehow I think it started as how much it would suck to have to kill a lion with your bare hands. I openly wondered if it would not be worse to find yourself in that situation with a bear instead. We could not come to a consensus other than to agree that either lion or bear would definitely be hard to survive.

circumstances, the man shoved his right arm down the bear's throat. This caused the bear to leave without harming him any further.


First of all, do you have any idea how powerful, fast, and killing equipped these animals are??? This whole thread is ludicrous and, in my opinion, these news stories and self-defense videos are bullshit.

The human being is a "prey" animal and is not equipped to fight a powerful predator. You may have some idea of its strength, but you have no fucking idea how fast a brown bear, i.e. "grizzly," is and how quickly it can disable and kill you.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry when hearing someone relating how to punch out a cougar. Forget it - if a mountain lion attacks you it's curtains. You can try to punch him, but cougars are extremely powerful and fast killing machines. You won't stand a chance.

There have been cases of people surving attacks by powerful predators. Unfortunately, these cases were more by luck than by anything the survivor did.

There is a very simple solution - when going into the deep woods where there are known predators you should carry a gun.

Oh, sorry! Guns are not politically correct! OK, nix that suggestion and stick your arm down a bear's throat! :|

- Mike
 
#10 · (Edited)
Humans are physically weak and our lack of natural body defenses makes us nothing but food for predators as the incident below indicates.

Predators attack with blinding speed that is going to prevent a human from defending himself by using the nonsense moves described in this thread even if they were effective.

I've got news for you - even "Bambi" could kill us very easily. A deer's hooves are like razors that can cut a human to ribbons in short order. If a buck got really pissed off it could gore a human to death with it antlers.

If you ever see a "cute" little badger in the woods give it a wide berth. Even that little guy is capable of putting you in the hospital. And, with its cranky disposition it will go after you!

- Mike


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Oct 6 2015, 5:03 pm ET


Squeeze Play: Cops Save Shop Owner Attacked by 20-Foot Python

20-foot python turned on a north Kentucky pet store owner "like lightning" on Monday, biting him in the arm and wrapping itself around his body while a customer screamed in terror.

Then the 125-pound snake began to squeeze.

"A horror movie in real life is what that was," the customer, Melissa McElfresh, later told local NBC affiliate WLWT. "Probably the most scariest thing I've ever seen in my life. And I'm still in shock over it."


Pythons kill their prey by coiling themselves around their target's bodies and slowly crushing them. So when Terry Wilkins, owner of Captive Born Reptiles, had to clean out the snake's cage, he had McElfresh tap on its glass to distract it.

But McElfresh saw the snake's head turn toward Wilkins.

"Terry, be careful. He's looking at you," McElfresh recalled telling him. "And he said, 'It's alright.' And no sooner he said that, just as quick as lightning" the snake was on Wilkins.

By the time Newport police officers arrived, the snake was wrapped around Wilkin's torso, head and neck. Blood was all over the place, and he wasn't moving.

"I saw him lying on the ground," Sgt. Daron Arnberg recalled. "I see a puddle of blood. He looks lifeless. So naturally we have to try to save him."

His partner, Lt. Gregory Ripberger, grabbed the snake's head while Arnberg uncoiled it from Wilkins' neck. Other officers pulled him away, and paramedics began to work on him.

By then, the snake had begun to wrap itself around Ripberger's arm. But they got it into its cage, where it remained Tuesday while police and animal control officers tried to decide whether to have it removed, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer.

Wilkins was taken to University of Cincinnati Medical Center and was expected to fully recover.

Police told WLWT that he was in compliance with the city ordinances. The python, they said, was a breeding snake that was not accustomed to be handled by people.
 
#11 ·
@Batko10 you are taking this thread way too seriously. Of course anyone should realize the guy who survived the bear attack was extremely lucky. And don't read too much into the conversation I was having with the guy at work. We were mostly just having a goofy discussion. I just found it interesting that we were talking about this, and the very next day some guy does something outrageous to get away from a bear. Then I made a thread about it, because I found it interesting. That's about it.

Anyone who reads this and then goes out looking for bears to shove their arms down their throats and see what happens deserve whatever fate awaits them. :kobe
 
#12 ·
You're right. I have a tendency to take things too seriously at times. :agree:

Anyway, sorry if I was a buzz-kill! Watch out for those ornery badgers!:lol

- Mike
 
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#13 ·
Shit like this is why I hate going out in the wild and shit. I love forests and stuff, but I never want to go overnight camping or hunting or anything. It's so goddamn dangerous and I have no idea if I'd be the panicky type or the type to make a quick decision and save myself and others. I'd rather not test the theory.
 
#14 ·
That hand shoving thing is not a big surprise for me as I used to bring my dog to dogs' training and the instructor told us that if a dog (or any other animal) bites your arm, you should NEVER pull for it will tear your flesh apart, you should always push your arm towards the animal's throat/mouth so that they choke and release you
 
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That is good advice, except for the pushing your arm towards the animal's throat. The dog is going to have a horizontal grip on your arm and pushing it forward is not going to force it down his throat. If anything it will have a ripping effect on your flesh.

Police canine unit dogs have accidentally attacked police officers in the heat of the moment. PO's are trained not to pull away, but just to sit tight without movement until the Canine Unit trainer orders the dog to release you.

PO's are NOT allowed to strike, hit, or shoot the Canine Unit dog. These are extremely expensive dogs and are doing what they were trained to do.

Just as an FYI, the German Shepherds used in most Police Canine Units are bred in the Czech Republic. The best "police" dogs were bred and used in the DDR (East Germany). After the reunification there were too many of these dogs and many were put to sleep or sold. The Czech Republic began breeding the former DDR police dogs.

The German Shepherds used in Police Department Canine Units are "working dogs" that are bigger and stronger than the "pretty" Shepherds sold commercially to private owners. They are also not as nice to look at.

Interestingly, these dogs are bred to have strong hips. Many dogs, especially Shepherds, have hip problems later in life. As funny as it sounds, the working Shepherds are sold with "guaranteed" hips!

Anyone interested in getting a "working" German Shepherd can pick one up in Washington state. There is a kennel out there that breeds them from dogs that were of DDR bloodlines. One of the pups will run you around $2,500. But, hips are guaranteed! :lol

- Mike

P.S. I guess I'm getting too serious again??? :shrug
 
#15 ·
I've also heard it is a great way to train ferrets not to bite. They want to nip at your fingers? Poke your finger into their mouth. I have tried this with ferrets, and they really don't like it. So there might be some truth to using that as a training tool in regards to some smaller animals who like to bite.
 
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