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Racism - 2015

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#1 ·
Can we maturely discuss this without becoming typical internetters?

I'm from Baltimore, and had to endure the ridiculous riots a few months ago because of the death of a black man with a rap sheet longer than I am. Since then, our brand spanking new DA was brought in, who immediately charged all of the officers involved, with little to NO evidence backing ANY of it up.

Well, tomorrow is the prelim hearing, where they'll decide if the officers will be charged. Now, if this world had any decency left in it, these 6 officers will be walking free tomorrow of all charges, and Ms. Mosely will be recused.

However. It's 2015 and that probably won't happen. All due to racism. Not to mention the other huge stories from the past few years.

What's your opinion? Will there be an inevitable race war? Is there any fixing the country/society? Does it affect you? Are you one of those hipster white teens who walk in Black Lives Matter marches, essentially denouncing your own race because of an excedent need to be accepted?

Discuss. And please. Just let it happen. Be civil. I want to hear legit responses.
 
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#2 · (Edited)
- There won't be a race war because we as a society are a bunch of collective pussies

- Race issues will never be solved until everyone becomes a mulatto with all the races mixed into one

- Hashtag movements suck

- No matter what race, we are all full of shit to a certain degree (not everyone can play the victim/oppressed/plight card at the same time)

- Seems like the only smart people are those who don't care (count me in)
 
#4 ·
Can we maturely discuss this without becoming typical internetters?
No. Lets try this again in 2025, although, I'm sure we still won't be able to then
 
#6 ·
Shala☆Frost;51996321 said:
You tell us to be mature and civil and yet you're already projecting everyone to be white hipsters that hate themselves :lmao

Fuck off.
Not projecting, I'd just like to talk to one without them chanting in my face calling me a "******". A white kid legit called me a ****** the other day. Confusion level was about 23.
 
#7 ·
Don't feel bad. The other day the racists of "Black Lives Matter" unsuccessfully attempted to disrupt our yearly Minnesota State Fair. They marched down the street chanting:

PIGS IN BLANKETS, FRY 'EM UP LIKE BACON!

For those who are unaware, the phrase "PIGS IN BLANKETS" means "COPS IN BODY BAGS."

It's interesting how the topic of black racism is constantly swept under the rug when, in fact, many American blacks today are the biggest racists out there.

- Mike
 
#10 ·
With most wrestling fans, I'd agree completely. Most other forums in general that I've been a part of, I would never dream of having a legitimate discussion about anything. But this place seems to have at least a handful of users who can carry a basic conversation. So those will reply, and the others will likely (hopefully) pass on by.

And to Batko, this is exactly the problem. I don't do racist things, I don't even think about it until they interrupt my hockey games to tell me a black kid was shot by the cops. But it gets attention, and we keep sweeping black crime under the rug. Here in Baltimore, we've already SHATTERED our homicide rate, and it's only September 1st. All of them in black neighborhoods. And the cops aren't shooting these guys because they are mean white people who hates blacks, it's because they are breaking the fucking law and getting violent with anyone who tries to stop them.

I think it's the hypocrisy that bugs me more than anything. I don't care if you're black or white, but if you expect a double standard, or special privileges, I hope you do get shot.
 
#11 · (Edited)
It seems like black lives matter more when it's taken by a white person than when it's taken by another black person. Who are they trying to convince that black lives matter: the world or themselves?

I don't see the same urgency or emotion from "the black community" when blacks kill each other every weekend in Chicago compared to a white cop killing an unarmed black man. Black on black crime gets the "let's all be friends and cry" treatment that's been done for decades despite the apparent lack of success, while white on black crime gets the riots, demonstrations and "calls for discussions about race".

I can't even take them seriously, to be honest.
 
#17 ·
It seems like black lives matter more when it's taken by a white person than when it's taken by another black person. Who are they trying to convince that black lives matter: the world or themselves?

I don't see the same urgency or emotion from "the black community" when blacks kill each other every weekend in Chicago compared to a white cop killing an unarmed black man. Black on black crime gets the "let's all be friends and cry" treat that's been done for decades despite the apparent lack of success, while white on black crime gets the riots, demonstrations and "calls for discussions about race".

I can't even take them seriously, to be honest.
What pisses me off most is take Baltimore, for example.

Various street gangs can unite, because "black lives matter." But, once you've proven that point, you go right back to taking black lives, which is the biggest form of disrespect to those that you claim "mattered".

As a black man, I realize change won't happen unless we change ourselves. Unfortunately, our community is plagued with people who view me as an Uncle Tom for feeling that way. It's like they expect us to remain united, right or wrong, while ignoring that the biggest wrong is caused by ourselves.

To me, it's very hypocritical and in some way, avoidance of our biggest issue.
 
#14 · (Edited)
Lol gonna touch the subject in a different light



This guy must be rolling in his grave, especially when this was depicted



What liberals and #BlackLivesMatter activists fail to realize (or don't want to just to push on their bias) is that one Martin was a Luther King while the other was a Looting **** who enforced the negative stigma of black youth everywhere in the nation.

God forbid someone told them that this guy



Is of the same ethnic group (and parental nationality) as this guy



Whose name was the inspiration for this guy



An ironic full circle, no?
 
#18 ·
Lol gonna touch the subject in a different light



This guy must be rolling in his grave, especially when this was depicted



What liberals and #BlackLivesMatter activists fail to realize (or don't want to just to push on their bias) is that one Martin was a Luther King while the other was a Looting **** who enforced the negative stigma of black youth everywhere in the nation.

God forbid someone told them that this guy



Is of the same ethnic group (and parental nationality) as this guy



Whose name was the inspiration for this guy



An ironic full circle, no?

How was Trayvon a "looting ****"?
 
#15 ·
Black or white, if you're going about your daily business WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE LAW you are HIGHLY unlikely to be shot. I have never, and will never feel threatened by the police - not because i'm white - but because i follow the law, and wouldn't be in a situation where the police would shoot me.

Does racism exist even within the police force, of course! However, even the most racist of police would be hard pressed to shoot dead a totally law abiding citizen despite their color. The majority of these shootings were exacerbated by the victims, and contrary to the beliefs of many, police lives matter - A LOT! They are husbands/wives, mothers/fathers and sons and daughters. They deserve to come home safely, and if that is put in jeopardy, they should be fully within their right to defend themselves without worrying about repercussions.

I do not for a second believe that the vast majority of these shootings by police were racially motivated. It's a ridiculous and easy excuse.
 
#20 · (Edited)
OP you want a reasonable discussion on race - does this mean being sympathetic to the *racist police* (got a video for you below, if you're planning on dismissing that and positing that it's not racism that's the problem - it's admitting it and seeing it as a problem) rather than the unarmed citizen who was shot to death?

Guess what? You're going to anger people. Have you considered that it's not "the internet being full of typical internetters", it's your fucked up take on the matter?

"All because of racism" All because of racism what, a paid group of public servants who murder unarmed black citizens at five times the rate of non-black citizens---these people are FINALLY going to be investigated and tried for their crimes?

Why don't you tell me how to slow the beating of my heart when I read your words. You can make me angry but I can't get angry or I'm being out of line here. On top of having to read you ntrivialising "black lives matter"--a movement that eeded to be started because instead of protecting and serving police were and still are publicly executing unarmed citizens. ---on top of having to read this, I have to tell my blood pressure not to rise because any time you express your perception on racism, you don't get a warm response. The perception, that is, that a deeply corrupt and deeply racist police force should not even be investigated, that they should all be left alone to continue their DISGRACEFUL conduct).

And if you're white then why would you possibly campaign for unarmed black people to not be shot to death? You must be some kind of hipster! They're not even murdering YOU in the streets, why would you give a damn?

OTHER PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO DISCUSS RACE WITHOUT BEING CALLED A RACIST - it's because they're not racist/they don't sympathise with the killers of unarmed individuals rather than the victims.

Baltimore Police? American police in general (per the cop himself). Watch this video on loop:



Better yet, watch the full interview:



There's your civil response, now--because the destructive emotion and physical energy should be targetted at you and I refuse to let it corrode me internally-- despise you for the society you would rather existed.
 
#26 ·
1. Your bias will anger people who aren't fucking stupid.

2. My take on the subject may be fucked up, if your bias is already established. Which it clearly is. And you say you can't get angry because you're black? Do you have any idea how many times I've had to control my anger in situations out of fear of being labeled a racist? Just the other day, a black security guard dropped and SHATTERED my phone. I could've went on a racist tirade. I could've simply been angry and lashed out. But I didn't. Because God forbid I call out someone for something they did wrong. That's racist.

3. I don't know if you're generalizing crime, or if you actually think the case I'm referring to involved officers shooting and killing an unarmed man. In this particular case, an ARMED black man was arrested, completely healthy, with astounding evidence, in addition to a history of harming himself while being in police custody. The guy essentially tried to injure himself to score a lawsuit and ended up paralyzing himself and died. But, considering people like you love to hate the white race for God only knows what reasons, he has since been deified as one of the saviors of the black race. For that, I call bullshit. Ruins the entire argument.

4. Some cops are bad. Some people are bad. Some white people are bad. But, what you and millions of others in this country refuse to somehow believe after decades of evidence, black people can also be bad. Shocking I know. I know they aren't really known for their poverty ridden crime rates, or rioting, or politically incorrect nature, but I assure you, it's there. But go ahead, call cops evil. But, don't ever let me catch you calling on them when one of your fellow "brothers" (your term) is trying to fuck your life up. You can't blame someone and then beg for their FREE help. Doesn't work like that. That's called a privilege. And your type, whatever race, don't seem to comprehend that. Bite the hand that feeds, and then beg for more food.

5. Again the hypocrisy. The rates of black on black crimes in the country are once again made irrelevant by those who want to pick and choose one incident, or one random ass youtube video to throw in my face, to make me rethink my stance on self respect? Truth is, I like being white. It's a pretty skin color. I like the way we speak. White girls are attractive. We have cool hair. Even so, I have nothing against black people, as long as you're following the same rules I am. Don't set yourself apart, don't ask for special privileges, and racism won't be a thing. Or...keep promoting it so you have something to blame us big bad evil ****** for.
 
#21 ·
We can't have a discussion about racism as long as people on the left presume the power to arbitrarily decide what is and isn't racism based on convoluted non-empirical arguments about supposed power imbalances and systematic oppression that can't be proven whatsoever. Once the left starts giving minorities full moral agency and responsibility (in other words, once they stop being racist - and I am using the dictionary definition here) perhaps the discussion can be had.
 
#22 ·
Even if there was no racism and everyone looked the same there would be discrimination, it's never going to go away, it's been around since the dawn of time and will still be around when the last two humans fight each other to become the last. I'm pretty sure it's just in our blood to judge and hate each other, maybe it's evolution's way of human survival of the fittest. People like to pretend words and pseudo science and sociology studies and classes will change a thing but they won't. Because this is the real world. It sucks and I wish it didn't exist but humans are gonna be human.

We're all going to hate someone based on age,gender,race,hair,eyes,intelligence,body look,money,social standing, pretty much anything and everything we can think of.
 
#39 ·
i blame the media for almost all of it. they provoke and instigate 24/7 and sweep more important or factual stuff under the rug. I think they found a topic that draws ratings and interest and they milk it for what they can. they get black people to hate white people and vice versa. it's fucked up.

i hate how pc everything is now, but that's a topic for another day and thread.
 
#45 ·
As an outsider I feel the blacklivesmatter movement is racist in nature. They might have started off as a movement to bring attention to the plights of the community but is hijacked by racists due to the lack of a centralized leadership. They just want a bogeyman to attack to avoid tackling the real tough issues of improving the lives of the black community.
 
#48 · (Edited)
Discussions only work when people approach them with an inherent desire to actually change their minds. In all race threads and discussions, I pretty much always see the same 5-10 posters saying the same things over and over again which basically means that they're at the point of bullheaded stubborness to only want a sounding board for their personal beliefs as opposed to any valuable discussion and eventually ending up with a nuanced and informed opinion.

Valid points on either side are made, but ignored and people end up going back to their default views despite having read and even responded to arguments that should have changed their minds a little if they were reasonable people. It almost seems like a lot of people formed their views years ago and then never bothered to re-examine them at all and instead of allowing counter-narratives to flesh out their opinions, they simply keep on reverting to confirmation bias that re-enforces the same opinion.

Hence why I negged the OP, because essentially that's the real goal here. There's no discussion when the discussion essentially revolves around created two separate echo chambers of two opposing views without either side even remotely willing to pull the earplugs out of their ears. Lol.
 
#52 ·
I'd consider myself to have a pretty open mind. I completely understand what you're saying. I'm not looking to convince anyone of anything, nor am I closed to opposing, intelligent viewpoints. This was meant to be a discussion, hence the questions posed in the OP. But there will always be those who just insult everything they see without having an opinion of their own. And there will always be those who want to play the sympathy card. If everyone would take responsibility for themselves, these issues could be resolved. And that's what the country should be discussing. But, much like your post, indifference, and finger pointing will always prevail, as it's easier than having a wrong opinion.
 
#49 ·
Black Racism is a big problem that most people are not talking about. A black gets killed by a cop and its immediately called a hate crime. On the flip side just afew days ago a cop was killed down in Houston for no apparent reason, here's a hint its a hate crime. Call it what it is liberal media.

I dont believe there will be a literal race war but I can see things such as cops being killed escalating. That said I do believe whites would when the race war pretty easily, all wed have to do is launch a sneak attack before noon.
 
#51 ·
In my opinion the reality is that high levels of crime is what results in often overzealous police actions in certain circumstances. I also think that whether each situation involves direct racism or not (most of the time I believe it does not) , the problem still originates from racism. During the days of segregation, all the jobs and all the wealth was moved away from black neighbourhoods and it assembled disproportionately towards white ones. It's not surprising that this problem hasn't fixed itself by now and that's why I support affirmative action. High levels of poverty create high levels of crime, that's just a fact.
 
#56 ·
BRIEF HISTORY

First, none of this is new. There has been always been a tension between black people/police. Black people in general don't trust the police and for good reason. The violence you see against black people in the 1960's, the water hoses, the police dogs, and the night sticks were executed by the police. KKK members, a lot of them were police members/sheriffs. Youtube the Chicago riots 1968 the police beat the shit out those demonstrator, and they were white-showing that police brutality doesn't just effect whites.

Social media/ Smart phones have allowed a lot of injustices to come to light. "Not all police are bad" shouldn't even be used as an argument. You don't need all people to be bad to have a systematic problem. All you need is a pattern. If 10 percent of officers are badly trained or have racist views and are on police forces around the country-guess what?- you still have a problem.

Some of you might be too young to remember Rodney King, but he was beat to a fucking pulp. This was caught on camera and the police were STILL aquitted.

BLACK ON BLACK CRIME ARGUMENT

Those mentioning black on black crime. 90 percent of victims are black. White on white crime- 84 percent of the victims are white. It's a approximation. Black people are more likely to be segregated and live among other black people- even if they have different socieconomic statuses. Segregation(policies today help maintain it) creates concentrated proverty. Concentrated proverty results in higher crime.

Now here is the difference between black on black crime vs police killing unharmed black men. Black people are not killing other black people because they are black- they are killing them because they either want to maintain what they have, or what to gain more. Inner cities don't have good paying jobs, so black men join gangs to make a decent living. These men will more than likely face jail time for their crimes.

Police on the other hand, are killing unarmed black men because black men are percieved as dangerous. It's an unconscious racial bias. A lot of these officers have never been in a real fight in their life. The fear of black men has been ingrained in America since the fear of slave uprisings. White men had to protect the virtue of white women from the precieved threat of black men.


#BLACKLIVESMATTER
When a police officer kills an unarmed black men/women they are usually aquitted and no other consequences are administered. Somone lost a daugher,sister, neice,son, a friend, nephew,lover etc...... and nothing is done about it. The Blacklivesmatter group is mad that there are no consequences for police officers who kill unarmed black men/women. They are tired of being told that the killing was justified because black man/woman was percieved as dangerous or threathening to the cop's life. The mere presence of black men is seen as threatening. Forget the misdemeanor they might have comittted-the punishment for misdemeanors is a fine/year in jail, not death. Just think though, what that does to black people who see people like themselves be killed and there aren't any repecussions.

This is all history. This is not all of sudden, it's an accumulation.
 
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