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post #1 of 188 (permalink) Old 08-17-2015, 09:03 PM Thread Starter
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The vilification of incest

I'd like to open this thread by saying I am not in an incestuous relationship nor will I ever be, however I will admit that I am sexually attracted to a cousin of mine and if I did get a good chance to do you know what with my cousin I'd do it. No, I'm not ashamed of what I'm saying whatsoever.

2 years ago in the anything section I admitted I'd like to have sex with a cousin of mine, the thread I said this in was moved to rants where I was insulted by almost everyone for defending cousin incest and in the end I was banned from the rants section too (despite not breaking any rules). Yes, incest is that much of a huge taboo on this forum. This forum is mostly home to western people, and in the west for some reason all forms of incest are viewed as immoral.

There are 3 reasons why a lot people view all forms of incest as "bad".

- Children born from incest are more likely to be born with deformities

- People are raised to think incest is disgusting so there's a lot of stigma

- An older person might take advantage of a younger supposed lover

I'd like to discuss those reasons.

The children with deformities:

The first one, the children being the concern here. Do you honestly think all forms of incest brings children with deformities? From what I know (correct me if I'm wrong) incest will only bring children with deformities IF the incest couple are from a family that have been practicing incest for a long time in their family tree. Furthermore, the most accepted form of incest (in the middle east, Japan, and many other eastern nations) cousin incest does NOT get children with deformities if it's a one time thing. I know A LOT of cousins who are married with children, and none of their kids have any deformities and I'm even friends with some. Though I want to go even deeper into this, suppose a family has been practicing incest for a long time and a couple from said family wants to reproduce? It's wrong for them to reproduce because they'll bring a child into a world of suffering because of their deformities? Such a mindset reminds me of an antinatalist's views on reproduction that bringing in a child into this world is you making them suffer as life is suffering. No, I'm not saying couples from incest families should reproduce nor am I agreeing fully with antinatalism (honestly in a grey area with antinatalism) and I'm also against REALLY poor people reproducing because I don't want the child to suffer, I just wanted to add antinatalism into this argument to have something for you to think about. SOOOOOOOO, in conclusion, incest does NOT always bring children with deformities so that's the first one down.

The Stigma:

Unlike the first reason why is a major reason and is good for discussion, this is a moronic reason. This is no different than the vilification of homosexuality just because of stupid traditions, no logical reasoning behind the vilification at all. What about incest couples who do NOT reproduce at all? I was once watching an anime "Elfen Lied" and in this anime a cousin was in love with her cousin, in the comment section of one of the episodes I saw on youtube I saw people bashing the girl for falling in love with her cousin and when I asked some of them what was wrong with it I mostly got responses saying "it's disgusting" or "it's not comfortable to think about" and mostly people saying "it's just wrong" without any further explanations. Who gives a rat's ass about traditions? So because most people say something is wrong that means it's wrong? The majority of people used to agree with killing the left handed, does that mean that the majority were right to do so? Fuck no. How society should manage itself is by thinking about consequentialism. If nobody is getting hurt, why should anyone vilify a harmless act? On with the next reason.

The Old taking advantage of The Young:

I too think it's weird for a parent to have sex with their children or an older sibling to do the same with a younger sibling, but what if they're both adults who know what they're doing? Suppose they also won't reproduce, who exactly are they hurting and why should anyone give a shit? Before I was only okay with cousin incest, however the more I think about the more I just feel like I REALLY don't give a shit if two consenting adults form a relationship even if it's incest. I just don't give a shit, and I don't think consenting adults are being "bad" for going on with incest. Again, I bring in the moral argument of consequentialism.

If there are other reasons incest is vilified I don't know of, please share and let's discuss them.

I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this thread, but I don't care, all I care about is rational arguments as to why ALL forms of incest should be vilified. I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong, so please bring in rational arguments. If you don't have any arguments, this thread isn't for you. I leave you all with a video of Lawrence Krauss.


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post #2 of 188 (permalink) Old 08-17-2015, 09:16 PM
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As for incest, I really don't give a fuck either way about it. Who am I to care who someone fucks as long as it's with consent.
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I'm not trying to convince myself. I'm saying the vilification of all forms of incest is irrational.
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First of all I think all you need to look at is what happened to the Spanish monarchy. Their leaders began to get really fucked up and started becoming mentally incompetent to lead their nation. So not only does incest create physical deformities it also creates mental ones. It's proven. Also incest is dangerous to humanity as a whole because having children with different people allows for a more complex gene pool. This lets our bodies adapt and find the best genes to pass on. (basically evolution). If we were to mate with the same family then this limits the amount of different genes the child could get. Having a child with a different person, the child gets 50/50 basically in terms of genes. When it's two of the same gene pool the child gets 75/25. And the gap gets wider as it goes along until we basically are cloning ourselves, which does not help the human race at all it only gets us stuck in one place. If lets say an ice age were to fall upon the earth again. If we all were from the same gene pool no human would have the genetic mutation to grow hair anymore and we would all freeze to death and go extinct within 3 or 4 generations because no one would be adapting to the new climate. There is a great video game series called Mass Effect that kinda touches on this argument. There is a race of aliens in the game called Asari who are mono-gendered (in female form) and they can mate with all of the species in the galaxy. In their society there is a stigma of having relationships with other Asari because it didn't advance their race at all. If they mate with another species the Asari child not only has Asari traits but gets the strengths from the other species as well, which helps the asari race as a whole. It's not wrong to find a cousin attractive that's just human nature, but to act on it is wrong.




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This line of thinking is too outside of the box for me. Come to think of it, it was too much being inside the box that got your thread moved to rants.
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As for incest, I really don't give a fuck either way about it. Who am I to care who someone fucks as long as it's with consent.
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