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"Net Neutrality"

So once again we see the government attempting to increase its own power and enlarge its domain.

President Obama's administration and the FCC are arguing that adding more regulatory power to the latter's purview over the Internet is a necessity. This is being advocated for as a measure to ensure that internet service providers are checked in interfering with the access of the internet for people. This begs the question, however--who, if anyone, is seeing their access to the internet interfered with, blocked or denied? In the last two decades more and more people have enjoyed access to the internet, including many of the "ordinary people" about whom Obama and FCC surrogates so incessantly speak. Compared to the United States, the more constrictively regulated internet of Europe's broadband has seen it experience less reach.

By inveigling and obscuring the heightened regulatory measure of the web under the benign banner of "net neutrality," the nuts and bolts of what is being pushed has been largely obscured. Well, there is that reason, but also the inconvenient point that the FCC refuses to allow the American people to see any of the 300+ pages dedicated to this measure while the FCC votes on it.

Breaking it all down simply to its most distilled point, today ISPs are indeed regulated by the FCC, but strictly--supposedly--as an "information service" while kept under the reasonably loose rules of "Title I." Now, however, the FCC is looking to regulate ISPs as "utilities" under the dramatically more restrictive Title II guidelines.

Were this to occur, the move from Title I to Title II regulations would place ISPS under the same regulatory auspices as Ma Bell under the 1934 Communications Act.

FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai remarks that the move from Title I to Title II

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...gives the FCC the power to micromanage virtually every aspect of how the Internet works.
Gordon Crovitz underscores the breadth of the regulatory power the FCC will enjoy with the migration toward Title II due to Obama's vaunted "net neutrality" in the Wall Street Journal

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[After moving from Title I to Title II] bureaucrats can review the fairness of Google's search results, Facebook's news feeds and news sites' links to one another and advertisers. BlackBerry is already lobbying to force Apple and Netflix to offer apps for BlackBerry's unpopular phones. Bureaucrats will oversee peering, content-delivery networks and other parts of the interconnected network that enables everything from Netflix and YouTube to security drones and online surgery.
Of course, the ultimate problem--among a litany of same--is that there is, in a marketplace, no possible way to artificially install a "neutral" allocation of resources. Goods and services are allocated, by and large, in a marketplace in accordance with the consumers who demand the goods the most. As goes demand, so goes price. This is only fitting. As a greater number of persons place more resources in specific places, the more goods and services will flock to those aforementioned places.

While the Obama administration contends that the "goods and services" of the internet are somehow not being allocated "neutrally" the truth is that a greater plurality of people have the greatest degree of service at the highest speeds than at any point in time before today. Were powerful companies or the government endeavor to pool goods and services in a manner which can be described as "neutral" they would find that their efforts would be in vain for it is impossible to distribute "goods and services" in a flawless, "neutral" manner for society, the marketplace and even the world as it stands physically are not "neutral."

Ultimately, what will occur? The most powerful, entrenched institutions and corporate agents will happily find greater control of the governing agencies. The clustered grouping of legislators, lobbyists, regulators and large businesses with access to tapping the largesse of government for their own ends tends to be a revolving, mutually parasitic society of organisms feeding off of one another as well as the consuming public. As government controls a larger stake of the web new, "outside-the-box" companies looking to profit from their innovation will be held outside the loop from directly competing against the entrenched behemoths of the industry which benefit from status quo-protecting force of the state.



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Market Research is growing to such an extent that there will be higher & higher demand for access to user-data activity to create a consumer relevant browser/app content; Youtube already had been doing this for last few years as seen by all categories suddenly displaying content at its homepage based off a single search-term. This has become more prevalent in the redesigned Browser search engines & the mobile advertising ads that now will display content onto billboards etc in malls etc.
Essentially this is why ISP's are being pushed towards Title II because it 'allows' access more to personal data now that USA/UK have been foundout over 'eavesdropping' online/landlines as well as 'funded deal' access rights off Google et al.

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Ultimately, what will occur? The most powerful, entrenched institutions and corporate agents will happily find greater control of the governing agencies. The clustered grouping of legislators, lobbyists, regulators and large businesses with access to tapping the largesse of government for their own ends tends to be a revolving, mutually parasitic society of organisms feeding off of one another as well as the consuming public. As government controls a larger stake of the web new, "outside-the-box" companies looking to profit from their innovation will be held outside the loop from directly competing against the entrenched behemoths of the industry which benefit from status quo-protecting force of the state.
This is such an important and seemingly unknown aspect of the symbiotic relationship between governments and corporations (a term that in itself describes a legal shield given to large business owners by the state).

People think "Oh, without the government corporations will rule the world and we need the power of the state to keep corporations in check", when in fact with the existence of the state and it's regulations, businesses are compelled to petition lawmakers to pass legislation that enhances their ability to compete in the marketplace. The moral businessman in a statist society, who refuses to take advantage of his ability to influence policy via the coercive institute of the state, is a soon-to-be-out-of-businessman as his competitors turn the Leviathan against him. Without the state, the only concern of a business is the needs of it's customers.

"Net neutrality" policy will not ensure fair play between ISPs and their customers (as it stands, in any competitive industry all businesses involved cannot afford to try and "screw over" their customers in any way, despite anti-capitalist propaganda by the state and it's propaganda distribution wing known as the mainstream media), it'll only give a significant advantage to large established ISPs over smaller, newer, potentially more innovative competitors. And of course, as in any industry, the more competition the better the quality and the lower the price of products, which benefits consumers immensely.

It is a shame how easily and quickly politicians and their minions in the media can convince a populace that a problem exists and requires government action to resolve, where no problem truly exists - and instead that government action will only further empower the powerful, further enrich only the richest, and overall make people's lives worse.


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My literal reaction to all this

Spoiler for wtf:


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My literal reaction to all this

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Same here.

Internet's just fine the way it is RIGHT NOW, no need to fuck with it. Just my opinion though.

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The government playing big brother again and creating boogeymen so they can swoop in and "save" the day. Deso and CP said it far better than I ever could.
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My literal reaction to all this

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This should help you,

But this is shitty news, no one even knows what will happened. The bill is like 300 pages long and nothing about it has been made public. But it will be bad, pretty soon the internet will be neutered just like basic television. Dark days are coming folks.

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This is such an important and seemingly unknown aspect of the symbiotic relationship between governments and corporations (a term that in itself describes a legal shield given to large business owners by the state).

People think "Oh, without the government corporations will rule the world and we need the power of the state to keep corporations in check", when in fact with the existence of the state and it's regulations, businesses are compelled to petition lawmakers to pass legislation that enhances their ability to compete in the marketplace. The moral businessman in a statist society, who refuses to take advantage of his ability to influence policy via the coercive institute of the state, is a soon-to-be-out-of-businessman as his competitors turn the Leviathan against him. Without the state, the only concern of a business is the needs of it's customers.

"Net neutrality" policy will not ensure fair play between ISPs and their customers (as it stands, in any competitive industry all businesses involved cannot afford to try and "screw over" their customers in any way, despite anti-capitalist propaganda by the state and it's propaganda distribution wing known as the mainstream media), it'll only give a significant advantage to large established ISPs over smaller, newer, potentially more innovative competitors. And of course, as in any industry, the more competition the better the quality and the lower the price of products, which benefits consumers immensely.

It is a shame how easily and quickly politicians and their minions in the media can convince a populace that a problem exists and requires government action to resolve, where no problem truly exists - and instead that government action will only further empower the powerful, further enrich only the richest, and overall make people's lives worse.
Exceedingly well said.

Crony capitalism as we shall call it for simplicity's sake is frighteningly accepted by far too many people, for it tends to exist under the guise of "the government looking out for the little guy," which, quite frankly, could not be any further from the truth.

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The government playing big brother again and creating boogeymen so they can swoop in and "save" the day. Deso and CP said it far better than I ever could.
Aw, thank you.

You put it well, too, though! Haha.



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What this is about is rewarding the huge tech companies (Google leading the charge) who are not ISPs by creating another level of government control they can exploit because the tech industry and the government are almost indistinguishable these days. They have gone almost all-in for the Democratic Party the last 8 years and this is their reward. These are the same people who talk about how they wish they could have their own private island countries to rule as benevolent dictators because they're so super special awesome that they are superior in running everything, not just a tech company. The same people who tell you privacy is dead, you just better deal with it. The Masters of the Universe blowing enough cocaine to kill a small elephant 75 stories above Manhattan in 1986 weren't as megalomaniacal as these people.

And once they're in, they're in. Won't matter if a Democrat is President or a Republican or if a labrador retriever is president. They'll have people appointed by their fawning politician buddies at the start infesting the bureaucracy and it will do whatever they claim is best. Then those people will hire or appoint other people, and the machine will perpetuate itself indefinitely. That's how you regulatory capture. Get all the worker bees and the middle-management bees of the regulatory bureaucracy under the thumb of the queen bees you control and no bees will ever be a part of the hive without your approval.

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How typical of the government to see that there is a piece of the pie they are not getting access to, and then working on a solution to fix that "problem".


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