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Old 06-04-2014, 07:14 AM   #61 (permalink)
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[sarcasm]Their biggest causality is the lays brand[/sarcasm]. There were widespread rumors a few years ago that Lays chips contained "haram" ingredients. Their sales dropped enough for them to rectify the rumors. Their was a TV ad where Junaid Jamshed would eat lays chips to prove they were halal and say something like "Lays chips Pakistan me bantay hain, yeh sau feesad hilal hai aur khalis vegitable oil me banaye jatay hai" After which he would take a big crunchy bite. I lol'ed when I first saw that ad and was like "are they serious?"

Do you remember that add, Jones?
Wow. The ad was posted on youtube in 2009, but I had a mullah in my office who up till last year would go off on a rant every time anyone mentioned lays, so of course we would mention it every day He was probably one of those who would sooner say that Junaid Jamshed was lying than admit that his beliefs were retarded.

He also used to think that shrimp were haram ...

I even went to the trouble of researching each and every single ingredient in Lays for his benefit but he just fucking wouldn't listen. That's how fucking insane people can get. I compare the "x is haram" idiots to the anti-vaxxers here. No matter what you tell them, once their idiotic minds are made up then you can forget about it

Oh right ... there's a recent rumour that McDonald's is haram. I saw it on FB and at least debunked it amongst my family members who are fairly reasonable, but there are some people who are now going all anti-McDonald's at least on facebook. Funny thing is that rumour started in Malaysia where they debunked it and now it's spread to Pakistan after several years.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:24 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Explain this one.
Monsanto may have had some legal battles to protect their interests, but nothing they've done is actually evil.

Also, what is GMO? GMO basically stands for Genetically Modified Organisms. In its truest sense all domesticated animals (take dogs for example) can and are classified as genetically modified organisms. Basically selective breeding in order to promote the reproduction of certain traits over others is genetic modification and that's the science behind it. If you get married to someone that's taller to intentionally produce taller babies, you're also creating a genetically modified organism.

They've basically taken that a few steps further because of advancements in technology that allow them to be even more precise.

Basically GMOs have existed since 10,000 BC or something and even your small-time farmer that hates GMO's so much is actually doing it when he does any form of selective breeding of plants or animals. The only difference is that Biotech corporations use specific techniques (that are not known to your small time farmer and hence his fear and paranoia) in order to do it better and more precisely.

Of course, since Biotech companies hit economies of scale in production, they can mass produce their stuff and sell it relatively cheaper which just naturally makes it harder for the small time farmer to compete. So what does the small time farmer do? Propagate a myth that GMO's are bad and Biotech corporations are evil in order to continue to survive in a market where his survival otherwise would be difficult.

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This is not a theory. They are fucking evil, I made an essay for my Geography teacher about Monsanto, she loved it, I don't know how you say it in english but just look at the "Agent Orange" (french name) they used during Nam, or what they are doing with pesticide in Africa, to be short because I have to go to the beach, they give free pesticide to poor africans so they can grow vegetables and shit, but the pesticide sterilizes the soil, then they stop giving them pesticide and start selling them seeds that can grow in a sterilize ground.

If this isn't evil then fuck
I rest my case. Agent Organge was used only in 'Nam. Just like IBM computers were used in Nazi Germany. Just like BMW used to make war planes. Past wrongs of an organization are not evidence that they are currently involved in wrong-doings as well, is it?

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Old 06-06-2014, 06:39 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Wow. The ad was posted on youtube in 2009, but I had a mullah in my office who up till last year would go off on a rant every time anyone mentioned lays, so of course we would mention it every day He was probably one of those who would sooner say that Junaid Jamshed was lying than admit that his beliefs were retarded.

He also used to think that shrimp were haram ...

I even went to the trouble of researching each and every single ingredient in Lays for his benefit but he just fucking wouldn't listen. That's how fucking insane people can get. I compare the "x is haram" idiots to the anti-vaxxers here. No matter what you tell them, once their idiotic minds are made up then you can forget about it

Oh right ... there's a recent rumour that McDonald's is haram. I saw it on FB and at least debunked it amongst my family members who are fairly reasonable, but there are some people who are now going all anti-McDonald's at least on facebook. Funny thing is that rumour started in Malaysia where they debunked it and now it's spread to Pakistan after several years.
I feel you, man. Many people around me are like that. I have been trying to convince my own brother that gelatin does not necessarily have to be made from pig bones, hooves or connective tissue, but I don't think any thing I say gets through.

One of the most amusing encounters I have had with the tards was when I went to shifa international hospital. long story short I went to shifa to see a psychiatrist as I was suffering from major depressive disorder...."the doctor" some how realized that I am not a Muslim.... after his long failed attempt to convert me, he, to my surprise, actually had the nerves to prescribed me 5X namaz a day.... "5X namaz" is exactly what he wrote on the prescription. I was idk 18 or 19 when this happened, now I have realized how dangerously stupid it is to argue with the retards.

I also hate it when people get offended just by my mere presence. Some one asked his friend infront of me "Issay bolo yahan se dafa ho jai"( he knew I was an atheist).

Also hate it when people pretend to be nice to me, become my "friends", invite me to their place and then make me watch Zakir Naik lectures or Harun Yahya documentaries. Their sole purpose is always to convert me and are never truly my friends. Now I don't talk about my views, but the damage has been done already(when I became atheist I was 16-17, and virtually everyone around me knows about my beliefs).

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Monsanto may have had some legal battles to protect their interests, but nothing they've done is actually evil.

Also, what is GMO? GMO basically stands for Genetically Modified Organisms. In its truest sense all domesticated animals (take dogs for example) can and are classified as genetically modified organisms. Basically selective breeding in order to promote the reproduction of certain traits over others is genetic modification and that's the science behind it. If you get married to someone that's taller to intentionally produce taller babies, you're also creating a genetically modified organism.

They've basically taken that a few steps further because of advancements in technology that allow them to be even more precise.

Basically GMOs have existed since 10,000 BC or something and even your small-time farmer that hates GMO's so much is actually doing it when he does any form of selective breeding of plants or animals. The only difference is that Biotech corporations use specific techniques (that are not known to your small time farmer and hence his fear and paranoia) in order to do it better and more precisely.

Of course, since Biotech companies hit economies of scale in production, they can mass produce their stuff and sell it relatively cheaper which just naturally makes it harder for the small time farmer to compete. So what does the small time farmer do? Propagate a myth that GMO's are bad and Biotech corporations are evil in order to continue to survive in a market where his survival otherwise would be difficult.
The problem is, the health effects of consuming GM foods are largely unknown. When trans-fats were first introduced, they were studies done on them that actually ruled out the possibility of them being harmful. The studies that show how bad they are for us emerged decades later.

there already have been some studies linking GMO to terrible health consequences.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/...-human-health/

The European Union, Australia, Japan and a few other countries have already banned GMO, owing to the fact not enough researchers have been done on their long term health consequences.

Crossbreeding plants that have good traits is different from genetically modifying them, the later can produce life structures(think proteins, enzymes) that do not exist in nature.

That said if genetic engineering is used with caution and is used for enhancing nutritional profile of the food than I approve, but the problem is, I don't think they care about their consumers. Their top priorities will always be whatever brings in more profits that is their topmost priorities are: to increase shelf life, Increase resistance to disease and parasites, making it grow in rough terrain etc. Most of these at the expense of our long term health.

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Old 06-06-2014, 07:24 AM   #64 (permalink)
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I feel you, man. Many people around me are like that. I have been trying to convince my own brother that gelatin does not necessarily have to be made from pig bones, hooves or connective tissue, but I don't think any thing I say gets through.

One of the most amusing encounters I have had with the tards was when I went to shifa international hospital. long story short I went to shifa to see a psychiatrist as I was suffering from major depressive disorder...."the doctor" some how realized that I am not a Muslim.... after his long failed attempt to convert me, he, to my surprise, actually had the nerves to prescribed me 5X namaz a day.... "5X namaz" is exactly what he wrote on the prescription. I was idk 18 or 19 when this happened, now I have realized how dangerously stupid it is to argue with the retards.

I also hate it when people get offended just by my mere presence. Some one asked his friend infront of me "Issay bolo yahan se dafa ho jai"( he knew I was an atheist).

Also hate it when people pretend to be nice to me, become my "friends", invite me to their place and then make me watch Zakir Naik lectures or Harun Yahya documentaries. Their sole purpose is always to convert me and are never truly my friends. Now I don't talk about my views, but the damage has been done already(when I became atheist I was 16-17, and virtually everyone around me knows about my beliefs).
I got lucky in my social circle thankfully. I came out openly as an Atheist, and no one batted an eyelid. They were all youngsters (like 20 somethings) from the upper class, so most of them were probably fairly agnostic themselves. The whole extreme religious thing seems to be more of a middle class issue to me personally, but I could be wrong.

Shifa? Don't even talk to me about that fucked up hospital. I once went there to donate my blood and the doctor came into the waiting room and asked everyone if they were Shia or not and told us that he's asking because a Shia cannot donate blood to Sunni because their blood have been scientifically proven to be different.

Fucking retarded asshole. No one said anything, but I refused to donate my blood and walked out. I don't have any sympathy for assholes that don't want shia blood because of their fucking prejudice and hatred.

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The problem is, the health effects of consuming GM foods are largely unknown. When trans-fats were first introduced, they were studies done on them that actually ruled out the possibility of them being harmful. The studies that show how bad they are for us emerged decades later.

there already have been some studies linking GMO to terrible health consequences.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/...-human-health/

The European Union, Australia, Japan and a few other countries have already banned GMO, owing to the fact not enough researchers have been done on their long term health consequences.

Crossbreeding plants that have good traits is different from genetically modifying them, the later can produce life structures(think proteins, enzymes) that do not exist in nature.

That said if genetic engineering is used with caution and is used for enhancing nutritional profile of the food than I approve, but the problem is, I don't think they care about their consumers. Their top priorities will always be whatever brings in more profits that is their topmost priorities are: to increase shelf life, Increase resistance to disease and parasites, making it grow in rough terrain etc. Most of these at the expense of our long term health.
1. Correlation =/= Causation. The fact that there's no evidence to back up whether it's harmful or not harmful basically means that there is a post hoc link between GMO's and possible harmful effects

2. Just because some countries have banned GMO's pre-emptively isn't also evidence that GMO's are bad. You know what else is banned in many countries? Homosexual marriages. Atheists running for elections. Blasphemy. Wearing a hijab in public. Just because some countries banned something doesn't make it justifiable or right either.

There are slight correlations, but those correlations can be found between just about everything. Basically, the kind of linking that's happening is like believing that since 90% of terrorist attacks happen on a sunny day, then that must mean that the sun is causing terrorist attacks.

If there was a direct causal link, science would've found it by now. Take that whole melamine milk fiasco that happened a few years ago. That was a direct cause and it showed up in tests and everything and the world immediately banned it. There are several cases like that.

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Old 06-06-2014, 08:12 AM   #65 (permalink)
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I used to loathe conspiracy theories and urban legends, but it wasn't until a guest speaker from my Management Communication class actually confirmed that a 1990's mass black-out was caused by jellyfishes!
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