Originally Posted by napalmdestruction
Now that's going too far. Calling me a nazi? What the hell is wrong with you?
Those countries are indeed pretty much worthless but not because of the people who live in them. It's that whole culture and mentality of violence and hatred that still prevails to this day. Just as I said in the same post, I think those people should immigrate to the west and live their lives peacefully instead of being constantly surrounded by that mentality of violence, hatred and corruption because it will take a while before things get better.
But how is this whole discussion of West and East's history relevant to the topic of the Ukrainian revolution? The only thing that matters is where each of those sections are at today and it is undeniable that looking West is the better solution for Ukraine's political and social problems. Sure, both of their pasts are stained with blood and ghosts of repression and you're right, maybe the west was even worse than the East, who cares, the only thing that should matter here is that Russia is going in the wrong direction at the moment and the Ukraine should separate themselves from it as soon as possible. Not sure if having a pro-boxer as your future leader is a good idea though, especially if you want to stay away from violence and war.
Well at least we're back on topic again. You are the one who made ethnically derogatory remarks about the countries of Eastern Europe and that's how we digressed from the topic. Calling you a Nazi may have been too strong. But, you definitely look at Eastern Europe from the perspective of a colonial exploiter who considers the people there beneath the people in Western Europe.
Be that as it may, from a logical perspective I don't know how you can say that Ukraine would be better off in the EU than in the Customs Union with Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus (and Armenia)?
Economically, the Customs Union has much more to offer than the EU for example:
- NATURAL GAS
per 1,000 cubic meters rather than the $430
they would pay as EU members;
- CRUDE OIL
of the international price from both Kazakhstan and Russia instead of paying 100% as an EU member;
- FREE ACCESS TO THE CUSTOM'S UNION MARKETS
where Ukraine already exports a third of its goods and gets 50% of its imports.
- THE UKRAINIAN HRYVNIA
would remain the official currency of the country. Ukraine would not be forced to convert to the Euro and defacto relinguish its banking system to the EU.
Seriously, the only thing I see in Ukraine's future if it joined the EU is a mass migration of Ukrainian workers to EU countries after the EU makes an economic wasteland out of the country.
On the social side, ethnically Ukrainians are Eastern Slavs like the Byelorussians and Russians. Except for Western Ukrainians who make up around 25% of the population, most Ukrainians look at the other Eastern Slavs as their brothers and sisters. There is over a 1,000 year history starting with the Baptism of Kievan Rus into Orthodox Christianity that binds the Eastern Slavs (except, of course, the Western Ukrainians who are Uniate Catholics and have animosity toward Eastern Orthodoxy).
The constant harping about "Russian oppression and exploitation of Ukraine" comes from the Western Ukrainian minority, not from the majority of Ukrainians.