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post #171 of 187 (permalink) Old 05-26-2012, 02:22 PM
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As far as Republicans go. How they have convinced half the country they are Christians and in service to God is beyond me? They are truly an embarrassment to a great country and the world. Now does this make Democrats the perfect party. Hell no! But the Republican/GOP party need to get the fuck off this planet. They scarily entered into the association of fascist with Bush/Cheney.
Yeah, to go from Bush/Cheney, to Sarah Palin, to Mitt Romney... they haven't done much to make themselves seem like the 'good guys', have they? Mostly they just come across as arseholes. Plus their propensity for ridiculous hyperbole (calling Obama a far-left radical Communist and shit like that) and just plain making stuff up (look at Mitt Romney's current line on the economy for that), it baffles me that they still get the votes that they do.

It's either a testament to the power of propaganda, or to the stupidity of some Americans. Mostly Southern ones.
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I would be all for a system though that does not embrace only two parties. The problem arrives in Congress though with anything but a two party system. Nothing would ever get done.
Here in the UK we have 3 main parties and we still seem to get shit done. I may not agree with some of it given the Conservative nature of the government, but stuff does get done.
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Where and how often is your right to practice your religion infringed upon? Serious question.
People that sue to have "Under God" removed from the Pledge of Allegiance.

Not allowed to have Christmas parties in school anymore, they are holiday parties. Easter parties are spring parties, not to mention the refusal to acknowledge Christmas in ads at the stores come that time of the year.

When someone wants to pray in school and they aren't allowed to because someone else might be offended. Rather than opt out of the prayer (which is their right) they choose to have the prayer banned and no one can.

I don't have a problem with folks who don't believe in God, that's fine. But I have that exact same right to believe and worship as how I see fit. I don't tell others how to live their life, they don't tell me how to live mine.



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People that sue to have "Under God" removed from the Pledge of Allegiance.
Because that is against the 1st Amendment and the Seperation of Church and State. Plus the Pledge of Allegiance is stupid anyway.

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Not allowed to have Christmas parties in school anymore, they are holiday parties. Easter parties are spring parties, not to mention the refusal to acknowledge Christmas in ads at the stores come that time of the year.
What world at you living in that ads don't acknowledge Christmas? Christmas is all ads fucking talk about towards the end of the year.

And on the other stuff? That's not stopping you from practising your religion, that's merely acknowledging that other religions who don't celebrate the same holidays as you do exist.

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When someone wants to pray in school and they aren't allowed to because someone else might be offended. Rather than opt out of the prayer (which is their right) they choose to have the prayer banned and no one can.
As far as I'm aware, nobody's banned prayer at school. They've banned the school itself leading prayer sessions, again because of the Seperation of Church and State. And that's only public schools, private schools can still do whatever the fuck they want.

Besides, you can pray on your own time. School is for learning, not praying to Sky Wizards.

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I don't tell others how to live their life, they don't tell me how to live mine.
Funny, I seem to see a lot of religious types telling other people how to live their lives. What with the whole "trying to legally ban abortion" and "trying to stop gay people having marriage rights" and stuff like that.

Not that you're like that personally, I have no idea what you're like personally. To me you're just text on a screen. But I always laugh when I hear religious people cry about how their rights are being infringed, or whine about 'freedom of religion' because when you give them that freedom of religion, they turn around and use it to try and oppress people and stop things they personally don't approve of.
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People that sue to have "Under God" removed from the Pledge of Allegiance.

Not allowed to have Christmas parties in school anymore, they are holiday parties. Easter parties are spring parties, not to mention the refusal to acknowledge Christmas in ads at the stores come that time of the year.

When someone wants to pray in school and they aren't allowed to because someone else might be offended. Rather than opt out of the prayer (which is their right) they choose to have the prayer banned and no one can.

I don't have a problem with folks who don't believe in God, that's fine. But I have that exact same right to believe and worship as how I see fit. I don't tell others how to live their life, they don't tell me how to live mine.
Agreed with the under God bit. It's easy to just interpret God as a metaphor. I'm not crazy about the Pledge myself anyway. Plus one can just opt not to say the Pledge.

You can still have Christmas parties on your own. There's no need to have it be Christmas specific. Christmas robbed the festivities from pagan celebrations in the first place so it going full circle is cool with me. Remember, I respect your liberty and you should respect mine. I don't want to be a part of a Christ specific party. School is mandatory, so a Christmas specific theme just doesn't work. Your church can throw the party that celebrates Christ. The school is state run and can't.
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Because that is against the 1st Amendment and the Seperation of Church and State. Plus the Pledge of Allegiance is stupid anyway.


What world at you living in that ads don't acknowledge Christmas? Christmas is all ads fucking talk about towards the end of the year.

And on the other stuff? That's not stopping you from practising your religion, that's merely acknowledging that other religions who don't celebrate the same holidays as you do exist.


As far as I'm aware, nobody's banned prayer at school. They've banned the school itself leading prayer sessions, again because of the Seperation of Church and State. And that's only public schools, private schools can still do whatever the fuck they want.

Besides, you can pray on your own time. School is for learning, not praying to Sky Wizards.


Funny, I seem to see a lot of religious types telling other people how to live their lives. What with the whole "trying to legally ban abortion" and "trying to stop gay people having marriage rights" and stuff like that.

Not that you're like that personally, I have no idea what you're like personally. To me you're just text on a screen. But I always laugh when I hear religious people cry about how their rights are being infringed, or whine about 'freedom of religion' because when you give them that freedom of religion, they turn around and use it to try and oppress people and stop things they personally don't approve of.
I'm libertarian, I have no problem with women who want to get abortions. It's their body, their right. I don't have an issue with gays getting married, if it makes them happy I'm fine with it. I think it should be voted on, but I'm OK with it.

Separation of Church and State originally was intended to make sure something like the Church of England (or a more recent situation being the Islamic theocracy of Iran) didn't take place. The government can't come out and say that one specific faith is the official religion of the U.S. However, it has led to secularism who wants to go out of their way to ban any reference to God in anyway, shape, or form in the public marketplace. That I have a serious problem with.

The majority of the ads don't even mention Christmas, they go out of their way to make sure that word isn't uttered. As for the schools, some schools will mention Hanukkah or Ramadan but not allow Christmas parties. All of it is OK, or none of it is. Don't pick and choose.

The government has already been more intrusive than I like here within the last 10 years or so. Everyone running the show, from the Dems to the Reps (it's almost one in the same anymore) is on the bandwagon.



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Re: Republicans

The OP is your typical brainwashed liberal who is best off ignored, as all liberals are.

So self-important, up your own backside, refuse to listen to anybody else's point of views expect you own types.

And then when that doesn't work, liberals bring out the 'big guns' for anybody who DARES to have differing opinions to their own:

'Racist'
'Nazi'
'Right wing'
'Homophobe'
'Sexist'
'Facist'

The usual liberal list of putdowns for anybody they dont agree with, and anybody who dares the speak the uncomfortable truths and opinions that liberals cant handle.

Liberals are brainwashed.

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Everyoe should just be libertarian (liberal for those who use the old terminology).

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The OP is your typical brainwashed liberal who is best off ignored, as all liberals are.

So self-important, up your own backside, refuse to listen to anybody else's point of views expect you own types.

And then when that doesn't work, liberals bring out the 'big guns' for anybody who DARES to have differing opinions to their own:

'Racist'
'Nazi'
'Right wing'
'Homophobe'
'Sexist'
'Facist'

The usual liberal list of putdowns for anybody they dont agree with, and anybody who dares the speak the uncomfortable truths and opinions that liberals cant handle.

Liberals are brainwashed.
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Was a Unitarian. Quoting a few things he said about Christianity doesn't offset the multitude of other things many of them said. Most of the founding fathers were either Christians or deists, but being a deist doesn't preclude you from being a Christian, and given their culture and upbringing it's only natural to assume that most of them, if they believed in a God, probably believed in the Abrahamic God. Most didn't subscribe to any one religious sect or belong to any one particular Church. You can be anti-organized religion and still be a Christian. Most of the founders were, but they held these beliefs as being of a personal nature and not as a matter of state, which is a position I wholly agree with.

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The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity, and humanity, let the blackguard Paine say what he will; it is resignation to God, it is goodness itself to man.
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Because we have no government, armed with power, capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
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Re: Republicans

Honestly, I think we can do better than the Founding Fathers. They had good ideas and they had bad ideas.

The Separation of Church and State actually grants MORE religious liberties to believers across all boards. It prevents one religion from getting a leg up over others just because it has more followers. We live in a Democratic Republic where the rights of minorities are supposed to be protected. Religion is a private affair that doesn't belong in government and government does not belong in religion. It's not one or the other. Christians in America have it good. They just confuse not always getting their way with persecution.

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