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post #51 of 183 (permalink) Old 03-10-2009, 08:34 AM
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Re: Abortion

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This. For that example Rajah posted, I sure wouldn't tell that girl she can't have an abortion. But on the other side, all those statistics %%%%%2 posted show most abortions are for bullshit reasons. There's no reason those people can't give up their kids for adoption. I realize carrying around a child for nine months is a slight inconveinence, but if you're not ready for that inconveinence, keep your legs closed. Everyone knows condoms and the pill aren't 100%, so don't fuck if you're not ready for the shit that can come with it.
Urges aside, fucking is a fundamental part of our society. It's role excessively promoted in all social layers, in multiple situation, since the dawn of mankind.

Not only that... the meaning of intimate relations as a social function and as education is important and grows even more important with us not dying in our 30s, 40s anymore and implementing women as "human beings" into our modern society.

In other words, if someone isn't very educated / intelligent / interested in a big variety of stuff, or doesn't have a major hobby the separates from society, he basically has nothing but sex to kill the time. Our society works on this problem by castrating generations of boys with video games. But our nature is still ahead. But just having sex isn't making someone ready for partenting. Hell, - if you are old enough to climb mountains with your daddy or drive in a car, are you autmatically old to live the rest of your life without legs, because it didn't went well?
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post #52 of 183 (permalink) Old 03-12-2009, 06:05 AM
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First, you don't go to prison for killing butterflys or trees.
You don't go to prison for getting abortions. But this is irrelevant.

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Second, as a counter example to calling that poster's logic "ridiculously flawed, I don't know where you're from, but in America the bald eagle is an endangered species and it's illegal to hunt or kill them. It is also illegal to take bald eagle eggs. Why? Because "y has 'potential' to be x."
The eagle egg definitely has the 'potential' to be a bald eagle. But because this egg has the potential, it doesn't mean it IS a living, breathing, eating, flying, conscious bald eagle with a beating heart who can feel pain, see, smell, and touch. That's the horribly flawed logic I was pointing out.
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Re: Abortion

So a foetus has a beating heart after 4 weeks.

Is that still potential?



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You don't go to prison for getting abortions. But this is irrelevant.
I was getting at the fact that you go to prison for murder, but not killing a butterfly.

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The eagle egg definitely has the 'potential' to be a bald eagle. But because this egg has the potential, it doesn't mean it IS a living, breathing, eating, flying, conscious bald eagle with a beating heart who can feel pain, see, smell, and touch. That's the horribly flawed logic I was pointing out.
You're right. An eagle egg is not a living, breathing, eating, or flying eagle, but you still get in a hell of a lot of trouble if you fuck with one. You get in trouble because it has the potential to be an eagle. In this situation, the horribly flawed logic is applicable.

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Re: Abortion

I'm very pro-choice.

If some girl gets pregnant and doesn't want it, it's her choice if she wants to abort the pregnancy. She is the one that will have to live with making that call.

The ultimate solution I think, is to put the baby up for adoption, providing that both parents are healthy and not using drugs, etc at the time.

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post #56 of 183 (permalink) Old 03-13-2009, 08:38 AM
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Re: Abortion

A human life has more value than any animal life so there's no need to assume that a fetus has the same value as a baby. Killing it isn't deemed as murder by the law. What's to debate there ?

As for my opinion on this, I, much like most, am only for abortion if it is an ABSOLUTE MUST. If either the mother or the baby are in danger, birth defects, product of rape etc.

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Re: Abortion

Stop abortion, kill sluts.
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...or that could work ^^

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Re: Abortion

Abortion is the murder of a human being. Whether that human being is in the very early stages of development or not makes no difference. End of story.

Abortion should only be something considered as the very last resort, such as to save the life of the mother.

IMO, there is nothing to debate about here.

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Re: Abortion

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Stop abortion, kill sluts.
If you don't need sluts, send 'em to us.

Seriously, the world would be much more peaceful if more / all women would be sluts.


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Abortion is the murder of a human being. Whether that human being is in the very early stages of development or not makes no difference. End of story.
It's not the end of the story. This talk is just the typical religious "Do what I believe or I'll kill you"-logic. Terrible.
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