Damn. Better edit the politics degree, marketing experience and extensive background in creative writing out of my CV. Jawbreaker has made yet another brilliant observation.
So, let's get this straight:
- I don't know anything about human communication.
- I only like wrestlers that my second favourite organisation pushes.
- No-one wants to see WGTT.
- The American Wolves don't get a response from the ROH crowd.
- Bryan Danielson has never done a flip.
- Paul London is better than Chris Benoit.
- A performer doesn't need to look anything like the character they're portraying.
Am I forgetting anything? Such wisdom. My life would be much worse off without this all-seeing eye guiding me. I hang on his every word. Hopefully he can teach me more about this newfangled "wrestling" stuff, that I obviously know nothing about. That and human communication.
Oh, while we're here...are there any DVDs of wall-to-wall Young Bucks matches that I should be studying?
I don't think I've ever laughed this hard at a post on here before. Maybe McQueen's "strike battle with my dog" post. you're a fucking master of misinterpretation and strawman arguments. the politics degree makes a lot of sense.
for the record, here are the things I've actually said and meant:
- WGTT are awful wrestlers and to have the belts on them is entirely contrary to ROH's stated philosophy
- Eddie Edwards often struggles to get reactions from the crowd due to his poor match structures, best seen in his match with Davey Richards this June, when he applied his finishing submission 30 minutes into the match to practically no reaction.
- I can't remember the last time I saw Bryan Danielson do a flip (at the time I had forgotten that he often runs up the ropes and does a backflip to evade attacks)
- Chris Benoit and Paul London would probably both be on a list of the top 10 junior heavyweights if I made one
- the idea that a wrestler has to look a certain way to play a certain character is bullshit
but yeah, you clearly have a very poor understanding of wrestling and disguise it with a condescending attitude, appeals to authority, and avoidance of any concrete discussions of actual wrestling.
Kevin Steen & Akira Tozawa vs. The RockNes Monsters - ***
Willie Mack vs. Ricochet - ***
The Dynasty vs. The Cutler Brothers - **3/4
Eddie Edwards vs. El Generico - ***3/4
PWG World Tag Team Championship
The Young Bucks(c) vs. Austin Aries & Roderick Strong ***3/4+
Chris Hero vs. Akira Tozawa - ****
PWG World Championship
Claudio Castagnoli(c) vs. Low Ki - ****
Overall: 8.25/10
- I really just didn't see why people like the NVC/RockNes match. For me it had no fluidity, terrible structure, several awkward moments, and just felt like an extended squash. I didn't hate it or anything, it was a fun watch, but nowhere near MOTYC level.
- Mack/Ricochet was good but it was much slower than what it should've been imo.
- Bucks/GenNext was great. Loved the beginning portion and all the double team sequences. My only problems were the Bucks lack of selling and the finish, which didn't really hurt the match but it didn't help it either.
-As a whole, I prefer Night 1. It just seemed to flow better and a couple of the matches on this show are a tad overrated imo.
It's funny you should mention condescending attitudes. Many of your laughable statements, that I pointed out in that post, were actually made during botched attempts to patronise other posters. The Danielson one sticks out in my mind for that very reason.
- Backtracking and climbing down, on things that you've said, won't get you anywhere. The posts are there to be searched for and found.
- Suggesting, now, that the Tiger Mask rope flip is the only high-flying or flip-based spot in Bryan Danielson's arsenal isn't going to wash with anyone that's ever watched a Danielson match. Danielson was well-known for springboard dives, missile dropkicks, flip bumps from lariats and so on, during his ROH run. Like any good wrestler, of his size, Danielson used his speed and agility to level the playing field and to add a unique dimension to his act. This all went completely over your head, yet you claim to be an ROH fan and smarter than the average, to boot. Amazing.
- At various times in the past year, Eddie Edwards has gotten the biggest crowd reactions in ROH. At all times, his reactions have been amongst the top few. You choose to turn a blind eye to this. Perhaps the agenda that Legend suggested...or something similar?
- You still don't seem to understand how the visual element of a staged performance works (i.e. Tintin lookalike Roderick Strong portraying a villainous cult member or The Young Bucks looking like Christian nerds and playing an arrogant jock gimmick). It's a basic concept. Beyond basic. It's the reason that costume departments and make-up artists exist.
Anyway, I apologise for not being able to understand wrestling, in the deep way that you do. It's not as if I've been watching it for longer than you've been alive.
Anyway, I apologise for not being able to understand wrestling, in the deep way that you do. It's not as if I've been watching it for longer than you've been alive.
You miss a couple days and this is what you come back to. I'm going to call this round a draw, both of you back to your corners.
In happier news concerning ROH, from the tapings:
Kevin Steen was reinstated tonight at the tapings, and he vs. Steve Corino will take place at Final Battle. Cornette will be at ringside and Jacobs will be the special ref.
Kevin Steen was reinstated tonight at the tapings, and he vs. Steve Corino will take place at Final Battle. Cornette will be at ringside and Jacobs will be the special ref.
Went ahead and ordered everything since ASW8. I'd advise any Americans to check out what the Media Mail shipping price would be on Highspots, for me I ordered a total of six items and paid less than $5 for shipping.
1) Icarus vs Gregory Iron - **
2) Gavin Quinn/Tommy Treznik/Ded Vaughn vs Cameron Skyy/Joey Marx/Bryce Benjamin - **1/2
3) Vin Gerard vs Hieracon - **
4) Dasher Hatfield/Sugar Dunkerton vs Tim Donst/Jakob Hammermeier - ***
5) Chuck Taylor/Johnny Gargano vs Hallowicked/Frightmare - ***1/4
6) Mike Quackenbush vs Ophidian - ****
7) Eddie Kingston vs Ultramantis Black - **3/4 - ***
8) Fire Ant/Soldier Ant/Green Ant vs Claudio Castagnoli/Tursas/Sara Del Rey - ***1/2
Overall it was the usual Chikara fun and entertainment. Which is far from a bad thing. They always deliver quality shows. Only letdown was Vin vs Hieracon. Just didn't do much there other than keep Vin's momentum going, but I suppose that is what mattered. Ophidian vs Quack was a dream match for me and it certainly did not disappoint. Love Ophidian. He's a unique and prime talent imo. If you enjoy Chikara, then watch. If new then I'd say a bigger show is better but don't sleep on these very entertaining events either. Always something. I might be rambling now so in short watch Quack vs Ophidian and the whole show eventually if you are interested at Chikara in a new market.
Idk if anyone's aware of this, but I was surfin through GoFightLive and I found that ROH has all of these shows available to stream for $4.99 per show:
Glory By Honor IV
Death Before Dishonor IV
Glory By Honor V: Night 2
Final Battle 2006
Glory By Honor VI: Night 2
seriously, I'm not even high any more and I still can't stop laughing.
- You still don't seem to understand how the visual element of a staged performance works (i.e. Tintin lookalike Roderick Strong portraying a villainous cult member or The Young Bucks looking like Christian nerds and playing an arrogant jock gimmick). It's a basic concept. Beyond basic. It's the reason that costume departments and make-up artists exist.
this is maybe the dumbest thing I've ever read. a person's character is based on their actions, not their appearance. that's how it works in real life.
and if you've really been watching wrestling for 20+ years and you still can't form your own opinions, that's pretty sad. I've been watching wrestling for maybe four and a half years and I can start and contribute to discussions on this board. People don't always agree with me, but they take what I have to say seriously.
You, on the other hand, just throw around petty insults and generalized statements. You contribute nothing of value and nobody would miss you if you left.
Crabtree is right in some ways - if the Rock became more focused on technical wrestling in the mold of Ricky Steamboat or Chris Benoit, I'd be completely off from his personality and character. If Benoit had done a cocky style in-ring similar to the Rock, it'd go completely against the way Benoit carried himself.
Your performance in-ring should gel with the on-screen way that you carry your character. Chris Jericho was 100% correct in what he said about Aries & Strong years ago - they had no characters whatsoever. Since then, Aries has become one of the most entertaining douche-bags in the industry, and Strong has yet to find a way to channel his real-life charisma (which I know for a fact he has since I had the pleasure of meeting him once) into himself as a performer. He shows shades of it in PWG, but for whatever reason he's not bringing it out. He reminds of ECW Eddie Guerrero right now, before Eddie was told by Benoit to channel Black Tiger in his American character.
Totally agreed about Roddy; I met him a couple years ago and talked to him for a while, and he's a really cool and funny guy. It's pretty frustrating that he either hasn't been given the chance, or just hasn't found the way to amplify that for his persona. Maybe he thinks with ROH he has to be super serious all the time, but checking out a couple of his recent interviews on the TV show, he's at least trying to loosen up. When he finally is able to get something going, I think he'll surprise a lot of people.
Strong usually comes across well on the ultra-relaxed PWG commentary slots. But I get the impression that once you point a camera at him & give him a loose script to follow, he freezes. His recent promo work is an improvement, but you can still see the wheels turning while he thinks about what to say next.
Roddy was really good when he was picking on Davey with the NRC and on PWG commentary. He's getting a lot better at wrestling to his character too, so at this point all he's really missing is promo skills. Which, to me at least, are overrated and more of a cherry on top than the actual sundae.
- Good to see a Tribute to Larry Sweeney, hopefully theres one on High Noon as well
1. Team 3.Ole vs The Osirian Portal
***1/2
2. F.I.S.T. vs Team NHPW Australia
**1/4
As an Australian I'm pretty familiar with Tama and I know hes definitely one of the better young guys in Australia but the other two are just very average. Kabel is really big and just doesn't act like it. And of course why in the fuck wouldn't they come out to Land Down Under. Also NHPW probably doesn't make Top 5 promotions in Australia and theres really not that many to begin with. If they ever go for a Team Australia again they should have just asked Madison Eagles to bring over some guys with her. They also draw pretty poorly concidering they bring over Internationals pretty frequently.
Right on. I need to jump on those myself. Went with Martyr Yourself To Caution instead. The big debut in the manhattan area + great card was too good ton pass up. Generico vs Kid on night 3 was flat out radical. I'm sure you'll get a kick out of it.
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