I know this is a MOTYC thread, but I will pretend it is a "matches that I think are pretty good" thread, so people who haven't watched any of the newer stuff can have an idea on what might be good...
WWE 1/1/10
Dolph Ziggler vs Kane
I have never wrapped my mind around the thought of a good 7 minute and 20 second time limit match, but after watching the first wrestling show of the new year I realize it can be done. The opening chain wrestling was impressive by Kane, and everything in the match seemed to work. I really liked the sense of desperation and the sense of trying anything to win, Kane going to the top rope, Ziggler trying to put Kane away with the sleeper are just two examples.
Why would you make this a 'Matches That Are Pretty Good' Thread? The name is pretty obvious isn't it? Match Of The Year. What is the lowest match you have ever given that award to? ****1/2 would be my low guess, but I assume it is ****3/4 or even ***** if you are a star fairy. If that is the case then why would anyone put non ****1/2 in this thread? The thread name tells you what to do, and in the case above, he even admits he sees the title of the thread and is not following it. If people need an idea of what WWE stuff (that is below ****1/2) they can go to the WWE section, or you can make a 'matches that are good but not MOTYC worthy' thread. How about this year we have a community resolution to keep non ****1/2+ matches out of this thread?
Generally speaking people only post ****+ matches in here so people can use it as an aid as to what they should watch and really like. There's no obviously no right and wrong criteria to posting in here though. I am going to make a WWE matches worth checking out thread in General WWE though.
Because people last year threw in matches that they also mentioned as being ***, and really people are going to do this year if some format is not changed, why can't we just have a "Suggested Wrestling of 2010" thread?
I like to think of this thead not as a MOTYC thread but as a "you should check out this match, even go out of your way if you have to" thread. If someone recommends a *** match from Raw, you bet your fucking ass I'm gonna thank him and then go check it out. How often do you see that sort of match quality on weekly tv?
Don't be so critical. Its just a fucking thread on a fucking forum ON THE FUCKING INTERNET.
I remember when Other Wrestling wasn't so fucking serious business.
Edit: And for those of us who don't care about venturing into the retard factory that is the WWE sections or TNA section, I welcome people to post WWE/TNA stuff in here.
Also, why should a match have to be **** or more to be considered a MOTYC. Ratings are purely relative and if someone thinks a ** star match is a MOTYC, then post it here. Don't mind the asshats who try to be dicks about ratings.
Yeah seriously, I don't watch WWE and only a tiny tiny bit of TNA, so I will be completely unaware if a really good match happens. If you think one is particularly good and worth going out of my way for, please post it in here.
TNA iMPACT that just ended. AJ vs. Angle for the World Title. Incredible TV match, hurts the rating with there being commercials, but the first real MOTYC for 2010. ****1/4
I think I would have liked the match more if it had just ended after the first 450. It still was pretty damn awesome match to watch and I thought it was a great to end the show.
***1/2
If I was there live and got to see the whole match I wouldn't surprised at all if I put in the ****+ plus range.
Very nice match, I did feel like Angle pulled out too many ankle locks. I would have liked a few leg locks, single leg crabs, maybe a figure four or a sharp shooter to wear down AJ instead of ankle locks setting up...ankle locks.
Also, I hate commercials during great matches and I know we missed some good stuff during the breaks.(also hated how the camera cut to flair during a series which lead to the finish) Plus it messes up the fluidity of the match but hey that's the price you pay for putting long matches on tv. Still good though. Very exciting!
It was good... but it seems like it was a bit of an overkill due to how much time they were given and the commercial breaks. I definately need to re-watch this without commercials.
God, I didn't like AJ/Angle at all. ***1/4. No build, basically just finisher after finisher. What good does it do to kick out of AJ's finisher four times on TV?
Had they been given a good 25 to 30 minutes to properly build this up without any interuptions, this could have been a REAL MOTYC, and it would have made sense to see Angle kicking out so much.
I have Angle/Styles at ***1/2. No rhyme or reason to the ridiculousness, and a weird, yet-to-be-explained run-in stopped this from elevating further. However, what we got was two top-notch pros throwing bombs. I wasn't bored, that's for sure.
Impact as a whole sucked out loud and was FAR inferior to Raw, but the finish to their show kicked Raw's ass simply because they showcased...wait for it...WRASSLIN'! And a very good wrasslin' match at that.
If the Ankle Lock is billed as one of those submissions that can come out of anywhere and has been consistently kept very strong, why would Angle work over the body part first? If you know you have something that lethal in your arsenal, surely you'd just try and apply it as quickly and as frequently as possible, right? But then wrestling isn't logical.
Although that makes sense and is perfectly logical, if the move is applied as frequently as it was, it cheapens the move within the context of the match. The Ankle Lock should come from nowhere, but it improves the match in my mind when it's applied later in the match when you genuinely believe that it could end the match. Nobody expected AJ to tap to the early Ankle locks, so any applied later on didn't have that same special feeling with them.
No you'd work it over so that when you lock it in the match is over. Seems logical to me. The same logic is applied to most submission moves that are used as finishing moves.
The ankle lock needs no work done to make someone hurt like a bitch. But for wrasslin' to wear it down is working a smarter match.
I second that ***3/4 for Angle/Styles last night. But that match only shows more proof that the use of finishers in wrestling altogether (well, what I'm seeing in the states these days) are starting to mean way less in a match to me now. That shouldn't be happening.
Personally, I'm a fan of wrestlers having a standard finisher that's used for normal/"unimportant" matches and then having a super/avalanche variation of their normal finisher or just an "ultimate" finisher move completely different to their usual finisher that people never ever kick out of save for perhaps the biggest match of their year or something comparable.
The problem with the AJ/Angle match last night was that the last 10 minutes consisted of Angle Slams, Styles Clashes, Ankle Locks and Springboard 450's, with absolutely no variation to them except for one super Angle Slam that AJ kicked out of (which is a kick in the teeth for the credibility of the Angle Slam since it's already a heavily diluted finisher in terms of putting someone down for the three count, sort of like how the Walls of Jericho never makes anyone tap unless it's a jobber).
TL;DR - If you're going to go overkill on finishers, at least use some variation of it or use a devastating ultimate finisher move.
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