Originally Posted by itssoeasy23
Listen to the pop he got on RAW this past week, there's you answer.
He's very over, his catchphrase is over, and he's only 31. He's got the look and believabiliy as a legit monster who tares through people and smashes shit. And it's working.
The last guy to come around that got over by himself that had Ryback's look and intensity was Brock Lesnar. You shouldn't even compare guys like Bobby Lashley and Mason Ryan to Ryback. Sure, their big, but they didn't have the believable intensity and over-ness that Ryback has.
Ryback brings to the table something we haven't seen for a long while, a legit powerhouse who tares through shit and looks believable doing it.
Trust me, he will be a star. And I'm not just saying that best I'm a fan, I'm saying it because he's got "Star" written all over him. He'll be a Champion in 2013 I guarantee that.
Listen to the crickets he got at Survivor Series. The pop on RAW whilst impressive was manufactured by what was happening in the ring and was built up very well with Hell No and Cena being outmatched by The Shield. If A-Ry returned out of nowhere and came out and cleared out he probably would've gotten a huge pop too.
Since Lesnar? are you forgetting about Batista who was one of if not the biggest star in the company in late 2005(YMMV).
And since when do breathing heavily and snorting count as a vital ingredient of being a maineventer because in terms of promo intensity he is laughable. His promos are unintentionally hilarious which doesn't scream intense badass to me. I honestly believe Mason Ryan is just as big and intense as Ryback and if given this push would've done similar and he's about as talentless as you can get. Hell Tyson Tomko could pull off Feed me more whilst being just as intense. Ryback is not a one in a million talent and I feel pretty insulted as a fan that Vince is trying to pass him off as such. At least Cena is a charismatic big guy who can work a great match even if his character is stale as hell.
Originally Posted by x78
Taste is subjective. I could quite easily ask what you or anyone else could possibly find appealing about Curt Hawkins, it just depends what you look for in a wrestler. Ryback is intense, exciting and a fresh face in the main-event scene. Is he original? No, not really, but he has a believability and a presence that doesn't come around too often, as evidenced by the reaction he gets. Guys have received harder, more sustained pushes than Ryback and gained nowhere near as much traction. To use your own comparison, Bobby Lashley received a similar push to Ryback, he was undefeated for about 5 months.
As for 'lazy', I don't see how you can complain about the booking at all when less than a year after debuting people are already talking about Ryback replacing Cena as face of the company. How could things have possibly worked out any better from a company standpoint?
And I can answer that with the fact that Curt Hawkins has shown me in what little time he has been given that he can be humorous and entertaining whilst also being a very capable in ring performer. I don't know if he's main event material though.
Lashley's push involved him being eliminated by Kane at Survivor Series about a month into his career albeit after a strong performance. He didn't receive a world title shot until No mercy more than a year after his debut and even Finlay got a shot then.
Ryback's push hasn't had the same build and dominating one superstar after another IS lazy booking as you book yourself into a corner. What happens when he loses cleanly or struggles against an opponent? Will people still cheer for him?
The only reasons I can see you both mentioning are he's big, intense and wins a lot oh and because he gets cheers from people? you like him because other people do? He is just leaching off the popularity of the main eventers just like AJ did.
The booking is 'lazy' because it is short term orientated and unsustainable as it leads to a situation where you make the rest of your roster look unbelievably weak in comparison to one guy and damage their legitimacy in the eyes of the audience if you let Ryback keep running through the roster with no problems or else you risk his popularity plummeting following a clean loss.
Goldberg in WCW is a prime example of what happens when you let one guy dominate everyone and that was with an even more athletic and charismatic performer. Booking yourself into a corner like this is lazy and ill thought out regardless of short term spikes in the popularity of one performer.