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Re: The 2012 MOTYC thread

Originally Posted by Zatiel View Post
I'm tempted to be as dismissive as you are here and question your sentence comprehension, given that I explained why it was generic in that post. But that wouldn't help convince you, just as you didn't contribute to conversation with this post. Let me be clearer.

How is it generic? Because it followed a structure that is done in television matches in multiple companies every week. Sympathy-Guy shows fire, gets beat up by Mean-Guy, makes big comeback and wins. It did nothing new and was deathly predictable. They did not have original counters or study each other for cut-offs; they did not have any deviation from a standard match-story that is the hallmark of better matches. Of course this beating was just setting up Aries's comeback - if anything, the Park stuff was just a further excuse for it that made it more obvious.

Watch Turning Point tonight and you're guaranteed to see the same story with the same lack of nuance in at least one match; same on Raw, Impact and Smackdown. The difference is some of these matches won't have the quality of devoted personality, which is the only thing that set this apart.

You're welcome to explain what you saw as "fantastic" in this match - I'm guessing better than average emoting from Aries and Ray, or through Aries's bumping and selling?
Originally Posted by Hailsabin
Sacrifice 2012:

Bully Ray vs Austin Aries ~ ****1/2

Pure magic. This match is what I really love about Pro Wrestling. 100% story driven. Based all behind the depth of the characters and what they're about. I'm really a guy who prefers a match to be chalk full of story over a match filled with 10,001 moves or "pure wrestling" only. (I don't think that is such an obvious statement either. Some would prefer Bret Hart matches over this. I digress...) There is so much more substance. These guys didn't even empty out their arsenal, yet it was a complete match. That's talent. Bell rings and I swear to you, I had a smile on my face. It legit stayed there the entire match. How often does that happen? I'm serious. How often does a match, solely on build and video package alone, make you smile just in anticipation? I really can't remember. I think back at the first Chikara iPPV. Which is fitting since this match really reminded me why I loved Eddie Kingston vs Mike Quackenbush on that night. Very similar contests. Both matches were so wonderfully constructed that when you try and dissect it, you really start to notice there weren't a whole bunch of pointless phases. EVERYTHING mattered. You hear that Davey Richards? Or ROH in general. I'm gonna branch off into another point as to why I loved this match: Upon discussing the state of Indie wrestling atm, it's been said that all of the leaders are gone. Guys like Joe, Danielson, Nigel, & Punk to really lead and help some newer guys work matches like this. Aries was one of them too. And while he's VERY experienced, he worked vs a guy here in Bully who was able to elevate him to an even HIGHER level. That's phenomenal. I can use about 500 more adjectives to describe that, but phenomenal works. We need more of this all over the world of wrestling. Instead of often seen pointless bs by guys who can't do control phases or make them interesting. K, back to the match. Anyways...time to lose all semblance of decorum and say that this match fuckin ruled. It really did. Even when Bully kicks Aries off the top rope it DESTROYS him. Aries got up with massive bruises and cuts on his back. Bully = LEGIT.

Yep. I'm on board in calling this the TNA MOTY so far. And easily one of TNA's best overall matches.

My write up on the match and why I loved it.

Can't say I agree with the reasoning on why you thought it was "generic". So because there weren't a mega-ton of counters in the finishing stretch it hurt the match? I recall Bully countering Aries off the ropes while trying to rebuild his momentum and turn it into a pop-up Bully Cutter. That felt like an original counter to me. Don't see how it wasn't. What matches classify as GREAT in your book if impeccable selling and storytelling doesn't work for you? Or I'd like to hear a match this year that can make this match look decent by comparison. (seriously, I'm asking as I'm curious. unless you list Brock vs Cena.)

Not to mention you're tearing down the boundaries of wrestling 101. Face starts out hot, effective heel beatdown, subsequent face return to win. If it's done wonderfully, then I fail to see the fault in that. That's just me. Obviously we're on different wavelengths here.

oh and the only TV match this year I can think that relates to a match like this is Punk vs Henry from 4/2. Another match where it took an otherwise simple story and made a grand affair out of it.

I get your point for thinking it's a common match type. I simply thought these guys made it work to a REALLY strong level.

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