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Re: **The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)

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Originally Posted by SinJackal View Post
I don't have to try hard because the numbers speak for themselves. I'm simply looking at the ratings and comparing them to what's happening in the show, and looking at who's getting the most air time and who's supposed to be the main draw. My only "agenda" here is to view and speak my observation about the numbers in a logical way, whereas your agenda is to rationalize them and make excuses for Punk.

It's a logical way of looking at it. Not a biased agenda way (an example of that would be blaming anything but Punk like you've done). If the show is tanking while a specific guy is having the show centered around him, whereas it never tanked this hard before that (including with the 3 hour Raw) in 15 years, it's logical to assume that it's at least in part, his fault. You can't say "the entire show sucks and that's why", when the show's been a better draw for 5 straight years.

Ratings (and buyrates) also tanked before when Punk was the main star instead of Cena. That's why WWE kept putting Cena back in the main event. So this is not the first time it's happened either. And it happened before the 3 hour Raw change. Here's a history of Raw ratings: http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2011-ratings/

Notice how when Punk takes over as champ, the ratings start slipping down, then consistently drop below 3. Raw's ratings have been trending down ever since Punk got the WWE title back. The only times they went up was when The Rock and Brock Lesnar came back to main event with John Cena. As soon as Brock left, ratings crashed down again with Punk as the star and stayed down. A couple months later, the 3 hour Raws started airing. And the ratings for those Raws didn't start out bad either.


Also, wrong, my point would not "only be valid if Punk's segments were losing numbers". That's ridiculous. My point would be valid if Punk's segments didn't gain big numbers or didn't have a high rating. And most of them don't unless he's in the typical "viewers go up at this point" segments, such as the overrun which I've never seen lose viewers. And btw, ratings are bad even during Punk's segments. The high point was 2.9. 2.9 would be considered a failure for an overall Raw episode as recent as last year, much less at the "high point of the show"!. I gave you the ratings list, so you should know that isn't an agenda comment, it's just the truth. If you could find a compiled 2012 list, I'd bet anything it'd show bad overall ratings any time Punk is spotlighted and Cena isn't. Just like PPV buys were worst when Punk main evented and best when Cena did.

If the ratings were great, Punk would be getting the credit for it since he's the main star. You'd probably be one of the ones saying it. I would also admit that Punk was a good draw despite the fact that I wasn't a fan (exactly the same way I admit Cena is a good draw despite the fact that I am not a fan). But they're not great, they're bad. Therefore he deserves the most blame since he's aired more than anyone else. . . and when he does air, the ratings aren't even good during his segments. They're pretty normal if not below the usual average anyway. A 2.8-2.9 rating is not good. It's low.
FYI no I wouldn't because for one I never have cared about the ratings enough to use them to speak highly of a guy I like or down on a guy I don't like. And secondly I don't believe in basing the whole show ratings on one guy champ or not whether I like the guy or not. You seem to think this only has to do with Punk but for me it's not just about Punk I'm talking in general Punk just happens to be the guy who is getting the finger pointed at and have felt this way about ratings since I've been on wrestling forums. People watch or don't watch for their own reasoning and it's not always for the guy who is champion even if he's the world champion. Ratings is a reflection of a multitude of things and right now it's pretty undeniable it is a reflection on how 3 hours is too long on a week to week basis. Which I think WWE was prepared for given the Hulu deal that shows a cut down version of Raw. Rather than sit 3 hours through a whole show one could watch a shorter version on Hulu, dvr it and skip through some stuff, etc. To pretend this isn't the biggest factor above anything else people want to point the finger at whether it be Punk, the PG ratings, who draws or doesn't draw, etc to the ratings right now makes no sense.

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