Originally Posted by DualShock
No, you are obviously one of the Ryback fans who ticks off only because someone dislikes their favourite superstar. Tell me why are there no Batista, Brock Lesnar and Lashley fans who are pissed off when somebody compares them to Goldberg? Maybe because he looks really like a shameless rip off? Ever thought of that.
If I compare Ryback to Brock Lesnar, Ultimate Warrior or Batista nobody would give a fuck. Why? Because maybe Ryback doesn't look like a Brock, Batista or Warrior at all and the Ryback fans are not butthurt at this comparison
You couldn't be further from hitting the nail on the head, you can't even hit the strut. I tend to respect people who can voice their own opinion, approval or disapproval, in a way that is clearly expressed as an opinion. Your last post was nothing but an opinionated rant which you tried to justify with pisspoor logic. The entirety of the post was defamitory and vulgar, so why should I restrain myself when there are people like you stomping around trying to sound intelligent.
He only looks like a rip off to yourself because you conveniently ignore the rest of the roster? No, of course Dolph doesn't look like a young Ric Flair, of course John Cena isn't the modern day equivilent to Hulk Hogan, and I'm sure if I really wanted to, I could pick apart every character on the modern WWE roster who reflects some bygone wrestling legend.
For their similarities, yeah, they exist. Never remembered Goldberg wearing a singlet, nor did I EVER recall Goldberg cutting promos in WCW (Contrary to common, ignorant, belief Ryback has done vignettes and a backstage interview).
People don't get over the fact that Goldberg did it for the money, they just doesn't give a shit about it. They were entertained by Goldberg in 5 years and only that matters.
So I should stop disliking a wrestler because he loves the business and start disliking someone because he did it for the money? LOL
By that logic then, why shouldn't I as a fan be permitted to forget about Goldberg and enjoy one of the only faces in WWE that doesn't get on his knees and blow the fans? Why should I give a shit about Goldberg now after I've already been entertained, why should I give two shits about the guy who left the company because he couldn't deal with not being on top and instead went to film a movie that is hailed as a terrible movie?
And if you call it picking apart a fanbase by calling them hypocrites because all of sudden they start to compare all of sudden wrestling abilities then you are right.
Ricky Steamboat was a better wrestler than Hogan in the WWE, Taka Michinoku was a better wrestler than Stone Cold in the Attitude Era, Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko were better wrestlers than the nWo members Hogan & Nash but nobody gave a shit about it and now all of sudden they start to compare who is better in the ring and some even say that Ryback already surpassed Goldberg because he is a better rassler.
You can't deny the hypocrisy. And except of nostalgia there are also a lot of memories swimming in my brain what Goldberg has accomplished.
The flaw in your argument is that Ryback isn't a full blown technical wrestler, and that Goldberg and Ryback were never in the business at the same time, otherwise Ryback would never have gotten his current gimmick (Because of the similarities). I'll give you that Goldberg did accomplish a lot, I won't deny that, nor will I flay out say there aren't any similarities between Ryback and Goldberg. To Ryback's credit, he is trying to go places with his gimmick that Goldberg never did, but while doing so lacking the mystique which was Goldberg's single most valuable assett in my opinion.
And honestly, would it really hurt if Ryback was better than Goldberg? Bill ended Bret Hart's career because he was too green in the ring (greener than ryback even) and didn't alert Bret that he was setting up for the spear. The guy won't be the next HBK or Bret Hart by a long shot but atleast it's comforting to know he has a lesser chance of crippling someone.
Of course nothing can be compared to his time in WCW but even The Rock or Stone Cold who had great pops 2003-2012 had even bigger pops during the Attitude Era.
At least i know why you think Ryback is great because someone who was a wrestling fan during the Goldberg era would know his accomplishments, the merchandises, the TV ratings, selling out the Georgia Dome in only 3 days, one of the main reasons why WCW made so much money in 1998 and not losing the ratings war with WWE.
Someone who was a fan during that era would know it better. Saying that Goldberg was no where near ready proves only that you was not around then when WCW had no other choice than to give him a US and World title because he was so hot, so I can understand why you are mad. You can only like and defend a rip-off if you have no idea how great the original was
Alright, you got me there, I didn't watch WCW much when I was younger but that's not to say I didn't watch Goldberg retroactively. It's still pretty fuzzy and back then I had no idea Goldberg forced Bret into retirement. I won't, however, agree that Ryback is a full blown rip off. There are nuances that are simiar, quirks that are tenuously similar, however Ryback clearly has an idea of where he wants to go with his gimmick, where as Goldberg pretty much had to do nothing, he got a great gimmick and booking handed to him and it all took off like a wildfire.
What happened to Goldberg once he didn't have that booking behind him? Back when he was offed by a Kevin Nash with a cattle prod? Admittedly it was terrible booking, but come his re-emergence in the WWE he was far from his former glory, which says much about the reality of Goldbergs vaunted charisma and intensity that even a heel rock was cheered on more than Goldberg was (Though again, could be wrong but I recalled going back and watching Goldbergs debut in the WWE).
Alright, new rule on the forum. Nobody is allowed to dislike someone, because the poor superstars need to defend themselves against the evil fuckstains who spoke their minds on a forum. Calling other fans fuckstains shows only that you are nothing else than a butthurt Ryback mark who was not around during the Goldberg era to understand it.
And I never called Goldberg a saint, one more evidence that you are butthurt, I just called Ryback a blatant, shameless rip-off
Once again, if somebody calls Ryback a Brock Lesnar rip-off nobody would give a fuck about it but when people call him a Goldberg rip-off all the marks are there to defend him. Why? I guess you know the answer.
Evil? No, more like inconsiderate really. There are plenty of miserable folks like you who run around and rain on peoples enjoyment. Why? Because you feel so strongly opinionated against those of others that you need to wage a war on them for daring to form an opinion differing from yours. Ryback hasn't even won a title, hasn't been giving a meaningful feud up until now, hasn't had the tools that made Goldberg who he was.
There is no NWO, there is no huge roster of credible midcarders for Ryback to run through, the only thing he has done that is similar to Goldberg is:
Be bald and intense
and get pushed to a main event status very quickly.
Will he stay there? Who knows, but he hasn't won a damn thing where as Goldberg was handed two titles by this point. The reason I called you what I did is because you are being a jerk really, I tend to be a pretty calm guy when dealing with people who can respectfully address their opinions, you on the other hand just come in with a long ass rant, what do you want Ryback to do? He was given this gimmick, he's trying to make it work, he's trying to distance himself from Goldberg.
You on the other hand get up in arms for Goldberg, who hasn't given two shits about the wrestling industry for a decade or more. He said something that ticked you off now you feel obligated to crusade against him and us 'ignorant ryback fans' while expecting to get no flak yourself? Yes, poor you, and the reason why we do give a shit about Goldberg comparissons is because since day one of Ryback's debut, the comparison's have been constant.
And it's not even done by people like you, who can argue fairly well, but mostly instigators who are looking to get a rise out of people like me.
Ryback is also not a Ric Flair in the ring. What is your point?
You remember that Ryback vs. Tensai match. What is your point?
So what. Some people shit on Sheamus, some people shit on Cena, some people shit on Orton, some people shit on Punk. You are just a butthurt mark who can't handle it that someone dislikes someone you like.
To quote you "Get over yourself"
Point is theres no point in wasting valuable time and energy 'shitting' on people. I tend to reserve my complaints to the only person worth hearing them - myself. Or atleast I try to. To me your just as bad, pissed that this guy had the balls to dare try to climb from underneath the legendary Bill Goldbergs shadow. And to think, this is all because Ryback said:
He has more passion for the business (Which is clearly true, he waited 8 years to get to where he is now.)
He is better in the ring (Which I believe is true, though he's not perfect obviously)
and that Goldberg was in it mostly for the money and glory (Which by your own admission, you did not disagree, you merely attempted to argue that otherwise Goldberg would have to stick around as long as flair did, but still never really tried to argue it away).
You know, I really just don't like assholes that try to push their weight around "You may have your own opinion, but it's wrong and the object of your admiration is a rip off and fuck you". Maybe if you tried voicing yourself without looking like a douche we wouldn't be arguing right now, but the way you presented yourself really didn't capture my respect.
On the other side of the coin, you did bring up some good points and I really shouldn't have stooped as low as I did with the cussing. It was unnecessary, as unnecessary as your initial post was that I replied to. I shouldn't have even bothered, but too late for that now. For what it's worth, you are right, I shouldn't have called you what I did but I would have been more interested in a discussion rather than an argument anyhow.
Why? Because I have better things to do then argue about wrasslers on a wrassling forum with people who disagree with me.