Originally Posted by Seb
I'm sorry but saying the SPL counts on a par with the big leagues in terms of achievements purely because Rangers/Celtic are far shitter than Spanish teams doesn't stack up. Even if it did, you're not the most successful club in the world if you've NEVER won the biggest club tournament, the European Cup.
We're just recycling the same arguments at this point.
Also, you can't lure good players. There hasn't been a great player in Scottish football since Henrik Larsson moved to a real league. For the past 5 years at least Celtic and Rangers have been made up of Championship calibre players, and the other clubs probably League Two calibre players.
I'm not saying the SPL is as good as La Liga, I'm saying Celtic are to Rangers what Real Madrid are to Barcelona. Different levels, but each level weighs up with the quality of their league, like Hearts our to Rangers and Celtic what Valencia are to Barcelona and Real Madrid.
Yes we are, that part of the argument is kind of a fact, because at our domestic level, in Scotland, which is the only place we compete domestically we have won more trophies than any other club, one trophy doesn't equal over 100 trophies. It's as hard for us to win the SPL against Celtic as it is for Barcelona to win La Liga against Real Madrid, because that's the level we play it and the only level we can play it.
If you put us in the Premier League or La Liga and gave us 15 years, like the big teams in those leagues have had, we'd be at that level, Rangers and Celtic would be competing for the european trophies every year too, because we would have had that level of income for that amount of times, just as Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man Utd etc. have.
Some of it isn't really an argument.
And the players, I disagree, it depends how you think of great, but great or not, there have been a lot of good players between Rangers and Celtic in the last 10 years.
It's a lot harder for us to get great players than it is for clubs in the Premiership and La Liga, a team that gets promoted to the Premier League get paid £30m+, based on on field accomplishments, like how much you get for winning the SPL it would take ages for Rangers and Celtic to make the money purely from on field achievements, but the Old Firm are huge clubs, and although the money is no where near that in Scottish Football, we manage to make that money every year, because we have amazing support, just from ticket sales, we make that amount of money in a season.
Where Wigan get over £20m a year for TV money, the only way we can rely on making money like that is from ticket sales. We're still huge clubs, not many clubs make amounts like that from ticket sales, if we had the same finances as the big English clubs, we could attract the top players, if money was equal and similar wages could be offered.