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**The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
For a list of the weekly rating dating back to January, please click here:

http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2012-tv-ratings/

RATINGS BREAKDOWN FOR THIS WEEKS RAW 4/9

Raw on 4/9 did a 3.10 rating and 4.29 million viewers. The show was third for the night on cable. The show did a 2.4 in Males 12-17, 2.7 in Males 18-49, 1.0 in Girls 12-17 and 1.1 in Women 18-49 with a 69.3% male skew. It was down 21% from the 5.46 million viewers of the week after Mania show last year, and last year there was no bombshell along the lines of the Brock Lesnar return on the night after Mania show.

In the segment-by-segment, Brodus Clay & Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger lost 99,000 viewers.

Backstage with Laurinaitis with Miz an Cena, Marella looking for the Three Stooges and R-Truth vs. Cody Rhodes gained 255,000 viewers.

Lord Tensai vs. Yoshi Tatsu lost 415,000 viewers.

The mic work between C.M. Punk and Chris Jericho in the top of the hour segment gained 379,000 viewers to a 3.19.

Punk vs. Henry and the post-match with Jericho pouring beer all over Punk, as well as the quick Del Rio vs. Ryder match lost 169,000 viewers.

The Three Stooges in-ring segment lost 240,000 viewers and was the low point of the show at 2.90.

The Brock Lesnar interview gained 423,000 viewers.

And the Cena vs. Otunga match with Lesnar run-in gained 301,000 viewers, which is a very weak overrun number, finishing at 3.42.
 
#6,174 ·
I never said they aren't worried about them my point was they aren't freaking out about them like it was 1996 because this is the age of the internet. Big difference between caring and freaking out living and dying by the ratings. If they still worried about the ratings to the extent they did back in the day then they would not try and adapt to the internet age the way they have.
 
#6,179 ·
Every casual fan I have spoken to doesn't seem too endeavored with the move to 3 hours. Usual complaints of too many commercials and pointless filler. It was like that before, just less noticeable.

Now they (WWE) have have competition in MNF, Dancing with the Stars, The Voice, Castle, Hawaii Five-0, Bones and 2 Broken Girls.
 
#6,187 · (Edited)
I want to see the interactions, you can put it on any TV show you want lol. Although, Mourinho and Balotelli are classic pro wrestling characters without even trying.

At this point, I don't want something to save them TBH, I hope they're going to drop even lower, 3 hours is just too much and the lower the rating, there's a bigger chance they will get it in the near future. And please not Lesnar/HHH for Mania, that would be a bigger waste than Rock in another match with Cena for 29. I honestly prefers Lesnar/Sheamus or Lesnar/Ryback over this. But they have two huge matches with Rock/Brock and Taker/Cena so of course they want to find a way to ruin it.
 
#6,191 ·
It won't be HHH/Lesnar. I'm 95% sure that it won't be happening. Taker's streak matches are too big of a priority and if they do that he's left without a match. It isn't happening. Taker/Cena they are obviously saving for Mania 30 so that only leaves 2 options available. Cena/Rock II, Taker/Brock and possibly HHH/Punk.
 
#6,190 · (Edited)
:mourinho :rocky Vs. :balo :flair3
DEM RATINGS
Now, DEM RATINGS.

Balotelli is so great as a natural, cocky no selling heel, he transcended the definition of "heel".



After the story that he won 25k in a casino and then gave 1000 to a random homeless just because he was there, you realize the level of greatness. All that without talking about wearing a Santa Claus outfit and driving around Manchester just randomly throwing money at people. I can appreciate the investment in the antics.
 
#6,195 ·
The ratings should be no surprise. We all called this was going to happen in the summer. As the ratings continued to drop in the summer, with NOTHING competing with it, it was obvious when the fall came and it had to compete with Monday Night Football, and brand new seasons of network television shows, it was going to get annihilated.

Ratings will only go down from here in my opinion.
 
#6,201 ·
I dont understand why the theory "Low rating = Less entertaining product" is simply dismissed as false? I mean dont we attribute the Ratings/PPV buys success of the Attitude era to more entertaining product? more entertaining and larger than life characters?

So we can credit the success of a show in terms of ratings to the quality of the product, but not when it bombs?
 
#6,205 ·
The theory is flawed because not everybody likes the same shit. I personally really liked Raw this past Monday but someone else probably hated it. Cena could be champ and feuding with Big Show and Raw gets a 4.0 rating for example does that mean it's going to = entertaining to me? No, everybody watches for their own reasons and like and dislike different things. Everybody would be Cena fans if we used the if it's successful it must be good logic.
 
#6,206 ·
Can't say I'm surprised... the booking is so inconsistent right now for most of the card and there are very few reasons to actually care about what is happening anymore. Most fans have been cultivated and trained through months and years of bad booking to not get invested becasue the WWE will not follow through on anything. And on top of that... you take a star that was actually over, made him the typical snivelling, whiny, cowardly heel that gets upstaged by the bullies WWE calls faces and most people just shrug and find something better to watch. This booking is on par, if not worse, than the New Generation Era. Just now, TNA hasn't reached WCW's level yet to force McMahon's hand into actually improving his product.

But even then, I don't know if it will happen. McMahon is obsessed with being an entertainment company that might have some decent wrestling, instead of a wrestling company that might have some decent entertainment. He's doing things completely backwards but expects it to work... sorry, there is better entertainment on the market. I watch a wrestling company for the wrestling. If I wanted a sitcom I'd switch over to CBS or NBC or something.
 
#6,243 ·
Can't say I'm surprised... the booking is so inconsistent right now for most of the card and there are very few reasons to actually care about what is happening anymore. Most fans have been cultivated and trained through months and years of bad booking to not get invested becasue the WWE will not follow through on anything. And on top of that... you take a star that was actually over, made him the typical snivelling, whiny, cowardly heel that gets upstaged by the bullies WWE calls faces and most people just shrug and find something better to watch. This booking is on par, if not worse, than the New Generation Era. Just now, TNA hasn't reached WCW's level yet to force McMahon's hand into actually improving his product.
Haha. Don't hold your breath on that happening anytime too soon, either.

Whatever push Ryback was going to get could be dead after this week lol.
No way. A roughly half a million viewer loss coming off the top quarter hour segment with Punk and Foley where Ryback's involvement really wasn't that big and there was a comedy segment and a bunch of commercials in there, too... It's not going to impact Ryback one bit.

Anyway, I'm sure Vince is somewhere glancing at the breakdown, letting his eyeglasses slip down his nose a little bit, and then raising his eyes to Triple H, cackling, "I told you this tag team shit doesn't draw, son! Now, starting next week, let's break up Team Friendship and have them drop the titles to Rhodes Scholars, who will break up in a couple of weeks and drop those titles back to Air Truth who will break up the following week when Kofi Kingston turns heel on R-Truth by beating up Lil Jimmy..."

I blame the replacement refs.
 
#6,207 ·
Segment Breakdown
In the segment-by-segment, they opened with the second strongest segment of the show, with the Paul Heyman, C.M. Punk, Brad Maddox and A.J. segment at 2.99.

Kofi Kingston vs. Dolph Ziggler lost 262,000 viewers.

Santino Marella & Zack Ryder vs. Titus O’Neil & Darren Young lost 295,000 viewers to a 2.59 quarter and that was still in the first hour so it wasn’t burnout.

The Mick Foley/C.M. Punk segment at 9 p.m. gained 877,000 viewers which is one of the best growth segments in weeks and did a 3.22 quarter.

Miz vs. Ryback and the Harry Met Sally segment in the diner lost 533,000 viewers.

Wade Barrett vs. Tyson Kidd and the Jerry Lawler interview stayed even. I’d suggest that’s probably a combo of a big loss for Barrett vs. Kidd and a big gain back for the Lawler promo but don’t have that broken down.

Alberto Del Rio & David Otunga & Ricardo Rodriguez vs. Sheamus & Rey Mysterio & Sin Cara lost 129,000 viewers. That was at the 10 p.m. mark and did a 2.75 quarter, so the three hour show has really done a number on people tuning in at 10 p.m.

The third Bryan & Kane segment and the attack on Bryan & Kane by Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow lost 412,000 viewers and did a 2.45 quarter. They probably were going down anyway at that point given it’s a three hour show, but three segments of that was one too many at best and that’s among the worst Raw quarters in 15 years. Well, until the quarter with Layla & Alicia Fox vs. Beth Phoenix & Eve Torres and Brodus Clay vs. Tensai, which lost 34,000 viewers and did a 2.43.

The final segment with John Cena, C.M. Punk and Paul Heyman gained 428,000 viewers to a 2.74, which obviously is a terrible overrun and the growth wasn’t good for that segment.
LULZ at that overrun
 
#6,213 ·
Welp, Bryan's career officially ended.

 
#6,225 · (Edited)
The third Bryan & Kane segment and the attack on Bryan & Kane by Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow lost 412,000 viewers and did a 2.45 quarter. They probably were going down anyway at that point given it’s a three hour show, but three segments of that was one too many at best and that’s among the worst Raw quarters in 15 years
GOAT and now a ratings machine. you can't KEEP Daniel Bryan from being the perfect wrestler, and basically the perfect human being. Main Event status is sure to come. oh wait, he already is a Main Eventer. just ignore that whole him being on the midcard thing.

he didn't lose at Over the Limit btw. he.... demands..........a REMATCH!!!!!!!!!!! fuck, he's better than Rock on the mic too.



i'm stealing this. just try and fucking stop me.
 
#6,214 ·
I think WWE's finally overdone the Kane/Bryan stuff and it's putting the fans off. Not surprising, it was bound to happen that they do it to death, but this quickly?

CM Punk had a great showing though. Two solid segments, but that overrun... not great.
 
#6,217 · (Edited)
Wow at that breakdown.

Well, first the good news. People have adjusted to the 8PM start time. For 3 out of the last 4 weeks, if I'm not mistaken, it has done well. Punk/Heyman/AJ started off the show nicely considering the average number of the show. Punk/Foley picked back up all that was lost in the first hour after Punk/Heyman/AJ.

Now the mixed/kinda bad news. The overrun/final segment, while an average gain, was an overall pitiful number. Considering Punk/Cena should be doing a lot better, especially considering Cena was advertised which should've grabbed his fan's attention. Doesn't help that Punk had already appeared twice that night prior and no matter how big a draw you are, appearing in three segments in a night is going to diminish your drawing power for the final one. That being said, I'm not taking the blame off Punk. If he was as big a draw as Cena, they should've at least packed back in the viewers they had at the 8PM slot, but they were down 300,000+ viewers from that. Definitely something is off about the appeal of the program. Maybe Starbuck really does have a point that this "shooting/kayfabe breaking" is bad for a storyline from a drawing perspective, even if it is very very entertaining for those of us who enjoy it. Then again, there wasn't much kayfabe breaking going on, was there?

Overall, a bad week in the ratings game for Raw. Let's see what happens next week and if the downward trend continues. I have a feeling honestly this is as low as it's going to be. As I mentioned, Raw's in September, especially the last week seems to be one of if not the lowest rating of the year. It might still only hover above this week's number and still won't be good overall by today's standards, but I don't think it'll drop any lower. This will probably continue until the build up to SVS when Lesnar comes back.
 
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