Actually, Marvin's leg was mangled and nearly ripped off by Nakajima, which Marvin sold brilliantly... until the end when Marvin used 99% fucking leg moves, like a double knee drop and didn't even sell the after effects. #FuckingStupid
Exactly. It really annoyed me because he was doing such a great job up to the last 5 minutes and everything just went out the window.
I also don't like his music, his hair or his face and his girly screams of pain .
And the poster above, stop trolling and go back to the WWE section. Plus a lot of people had this conversation around mania time last year and it lasted for fucking pages so no thanks to that again.
Hey, I agree with someone! Although it definitely dragged too much at the mid point, and Nakajima was too obsessed with movez as opposed to telling a story, while Otani, Kenskay & Lil Has were phenomenal!
I just watched an Ambrose/Steamboat match from an FCW house show someone recorded. It's a great recording and the match is pretty awesome. They play up the fact that it's Richie Steamboat and Ambrose almost played the Flair role. Ambrose has turned into a fantastic pro wrestler on all levels which is something I never thought I would say a year or so ago when he was on the indies. Ambrose going after the leg and using the Figure Four was a great little touch. Probably around the **** mark.
Heres the match for anyone that's interested (don't let the fact it's a live recording bother you, it's awesome quality)...
I was going to wait for a bit more of a consensus. You know, see if other people are able to find flaws in it that I didn't noticed.
But after seeing people praise the ROH 10th Anniversary ME, I'm just going to throw it in there.
Okada vs Naito. NJPW 40th Anniversary. ****1/2 - When you compare the two matches, it's like you can see exactly why NJPW is better than ROH right now in terms of match quality.
Okada vs Naito had long term consistent selling. Not so much in Davey/Kyle vs Adam/Eddie. Like, when Okada got his leg hurt badly (do did a move that damaged it), he actually buckled down and sold it, sometimes falling over. Both guys sold their injuries after the match too even. No need to look "uber badass".
Okada vs Naito had move build up and very clear psychology, with some pretty cool spots and moves sprinkled in. ROH's ME... Had a lot of moves, practically no build up, and the psychology was REALLY loose, at best.
Okada vs Naito had control segments. Okada vs Naito had the crowds attention, etc.
Big flaw though: the beginning was very slow until Naito started picking up the offense.
Just finished Okada vs Naito, It's a very entertaining match and worth a watch. As the above poster mentioned it was slow (and sloppy imo) at the beginning but really picked up and had some great back and forth action. I was really drawn into Okada in this match, he has a sweet arsenal of moves and really tries to sell stuff. However, he diverted from his heel mannerisms which I really enjoyed in his match vs Tanahashi.
Daisuke Sekimoto vs Yuji Okabayashi - BJW 26.02.2012
Definitely the best match of their trilogy. It's so fun watching how Yuji has grown as a performer and as a threat to Daisuke, from Korakuen believing more in him every year to going head to head in the bombs department against Sekimoto. The headbutts were brutal but I've kinda become numb to them ever since Daisuke and Ibushi tried to kill each other in 2010. A great heavyweight battle, can't wait till they meet again in 2013.
*I discount Ricky Marvin from best of Japanese juniors discussion because his reliance upon spots and ignorance towards selling opponents' offense and logical match layout bothers me when it counts. He ain't "sloppy", but he tends to botch more often than most. See him ruining a potential all time classic match layout vs. Nakajima not long ago.
I just never think to call Shinobu a junior because he's such a violent damn world beater.
Haven't watched much wrestling this year so far. Just a few random DG infinities, WrestleKingdom, the Punk/Bryan matches, and little else. I started watch the indies in late '09 so I tend to watch a lot of older stuff. With that being said, these are my ****+ matches from 2012 so far.
Shinsuke Nakamura and Toru Yano vs. Go Shiozaki and Naomichi Marufuji - 1/4/12 - ****
Tetsuya Naito vs. Keiji Mutoh - 1/4/12 - ****
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Minoru Suzuki - 1/4/12 - ****
CIMA vs. Jimmy Susumu - 2/5/12 - ****
Blood WARRIORS (Akira Tozawa, BxB Hulk, Cyber Kong, Fake Naoki Tanisaki, Kzy, Naruki Doi & Yasushi Kanda) vs. JUNCTION THREE (Dragon Kid, Jimmy Susumu, Masaaki Mochizuki, Masato Yoshino, Rich Swann, Shingo Takagi & YAMATO) - 2/9/12 - ****
ROH Homecoming - Hero vs Elgin
Awesome match. Hero brought back some old school stuff and started doing the flippy/athletic stuff he used to do before the match and it was pretty funny and got the crowd behind him. Hero is definitely better as a cocky heel dominating a match, but he did really well here getting dominated by Elgin and he plays a really good sympathetic babyface. Once Hero gets his comeback going and they go into the finishing stretch it gets really great with some awesome nearfalls that had me thinking it was over. Hero also trimmed a lot of the fat off since he returned at Final Battle which was good to see. Now this is where Elgin looks like a beast, catching Hero, throwing him around and dead lifting him into a suplex. Probably my favourite Elgin match so far, but it's Chris Hero and that dude can play any role in a wrestling ring so it was no surprise he made Elgin look good and had a great match with him. ****
The best ROH match this year, and the most I've enjoyed one in ages. Hero owns.
The main problem i had with Tanahashi vs Okada was that Okada gave me the impresion that left Tana do everything in the match. The match was great maybe one of the best Tanahashi perfomance, here is the same or Okada improve?
I thought it was better than their other 198 matches
It's really good btw but I thought Kofi stopped it from being great. His offence is really sloppy and he kinda fluffed the finish so the crowd weren't as into the final pin as they maybe could have been but Ziggler was brilliant enough to make up for Kofi's shortcomings. Probably top 5 WWE TV match so far in 2012 but not the best at all.
I've only got four WWE TV matches in my top 30 MOTY list and I'd easily slot this match in the top three (with the Punk/Bryan Raw match not too far ahead).
CM Punk Vs Daniel Bryan (Smackdown 22/02/2012) 4+
CM Punk Vs Daniel Bryan (WWE Raw 30/01/2012) 4
Daniel Bryan Vs Big Show (WWE Smackdown 13/01/2012) 3.75
CM Punk Vs Dolph Ziggler (WWE Raw 02/01/2012) 3.5
With Ziggler/Kofi I just scrape 5. Pray tell which matches I must be missing?
Ziggler/Kofi was really good. Ziggler is so awesome right now, this guy has it all. As for the match I'd give it around ***3/4, really strong tv MOTYC but the first two Punk/Bryan matches are easily better.
Those in red are ones I disagree with, but I'll give those NXT matches a try. I have a feeling the disdain you have for Kofi I have tenfold for Reks and Hawkins but Kidd's usually good enough to pull a decent match out of most people, so I'm sure Hawkins (at the very least) will be no different.
Suppose my Sunday shall be busy, then. What with these and my growing pile of WON MotY winners from the 80s to go through.
As an aside, I'm thinking of starting a thread called "Shattering The Hype" where people can post reviews slating widely loved matches they don't find any good - inspired by the Ramon/HBK ladder match and Nervosa's signature.
Awesome sub 10 minute spotfest. Crowd go nuts for everything and you've got 4 strong enough characters in there to care about the spots. Brodie's early domination was great, especially that punch when Sami charged at him off the belt. Swann's flips are crazy good and he's improved a shit ton since touring with Dragon Gate. Before he was just flips but now like PAC & Ricochet he's learned how and when to do them effectively and he's starting to fit the pieces together into becoming a really great high flyer. Swann's the star of this. Him and Sami have some awesome sequences together and they hit each other really fucking hard in a great great way. PAC's on his holidays so just shows up to do some of his trademark shtick but that's better than most things on the Indies right now and in this type of a match it's great. All 4 men rocked in this, the spots were incredible and the crowd were crazy. You wont see many better sub 10 minute matches than this in 2012.
Match was fine, It thankfully had minimal amounts of Callihan but i hated the finish. Just looked awful. Also a few spots like Brodie not pinning Swann after the Slam was just stupid.
Scorpio works this match like a skinnier, blacker, flashier Vader that can hit the mat. The short matwork segment we get is fine, but when they start laying the leather is when the match really picks up. This match was good enough to cause the douchebags in the crowd who were trying to get themselves over to shut the hell up and enjoy this damn good match, and I think that is mainly because the brutal stiffness of it all. Scorpio and Walker, who I don't really know much about, were hitting HARD. Scorpio had a really awesome punch combo on Walker after he got pissed. He also had some nasty kicks to the face and some his flip kicks. The thing about flip kicks is most of them suck, but not when Too Cold Scorpio does them. He just has a way of not letting things suck. Scorpio also took a belly to belly into the turnbuckle and landed right on his head. It was sweet. The finishing stretch was also really good. This match is definitely worth going out of your way to see.
I dont really see the comparison to Vader beside the Moonsault. The match was really slow and really not at all a MOTYC. Walker really isn't very good at all.
This match isn't it, but I am intrigued by Scorpio going an hour. I'd like to see if he can keep it interesting for an hour.
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