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**The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
For a list of the weekly rating dating back to January, please click here:

http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2012-tv-ratings/

RATINGS BREAKDOWN FOR THIS WEEKS RAW 4/9

Raw on 4/9 did a 3.10 rating and 4.29 million viewers. The show was third for the night on cable. The show did a 2.4 in Males 12-17, 2.7 in Males 18-49, 1.0 in Girls 12-17 and 1.1 in Women 18-49 with a 69.3% male skew. It was down 21% from the 5.46 million viewers of the week after Mania show last year, and last year there was no bombshell along the lines of the Brock Lesnar return on the night after Mania show.

In the segment-by-segment, Brodus Clay & Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger lost 99,000 viewers.

Backstage with Laurinaitis with Miz an Cena, Marella looking for the Three Stooges and R-Truth vs. Cody Rhodes gained 255,000 viewers.

Lord Tensai vs. Yoshi Tatsu lost 415,000 viewers.

The mic work between C.M. Punk and Chris Jericho in the top of the hour segment gained 379,000 viewers to a 3.19.

Punk vs. Henry and the post-match with Jericho pouring beer all over Punk, as well as the quick Del Rio vs. Ryder match lost 169,000 viewers.

The Three Stooges in-ring segment lost 240,000 viewers and was the low point of the show at 2.90.

The Brock Lesnar interview gained 423,000 viewers.

And the Cena vs. Otunga match with Lesnar run-in gained 301,000 viewers, which is a very weak overrun number, finishing at 3.42.
 
#2,967 ·
idiots
So you say punks reign doesn't average 3.5 ratings but Orton did.

Yet Rock comes back is the biggest thing in wrestling and can't do a fucking 3.3

Why do you want to compare 2012 to 1999 when it is not the same thing.

One segment no matter how good it does can't overcome 7 fucking segments with kofi,swagger,sheamus,ziggler,ryder,divas,backstage skits and stupid angles.

Don't blame punk moron.

just like rock not delivering good ratings for the road to wrestlemania was not his fault
 
#2,971 ·
With Punk from all indicators he didn't move the needle as a main eventer. The whole "Summer Of Punk", which did get a lot of internet attention, and some mainstream attention. Didn't move the ratings(in fact I believe the ratings went slightly down during that time period, a tenth of a point or so). And as far as buyrates, he did increase the MITB ppv slightly, but you could easily say that is offset by the decline in the SummerSlam ppv that he headlined from the year before buyrate.

With The Rock WWE definitely did devalue him intentionally, and did decrease his drawing power because of that fact. With Punk even if WWE hadn't "sabotaged" or "sandbagged" his main event run, he still wouldn't have delivered at the box office.
 
#2,982 ·
Re: What would make raw more entertaining ?

CM Punk actually getting his edge back ans cutting good promos frequently
The Rock returning again for his next feud
Brock Lesnar being on TV more often
Stone Cold Steve Austin returning for one last run
Cheis Jericho vs Randy Orton feud with Randy given more mic freedom and character freedom.
 
#2,986 ·
There is a reason why Steve Austin has been playing down his potential return against CM Punk and is far more interested in facing Brock Lesnar at Mania than any other person on the roster. Obviously, the reason is the money for his return match, which undoubtedly Brock would be significantly bigger on the return than CM Punk. Austin also has an ego where he wants his match to be a big-time draw in the history books of pro wrestling, just so he can say it.
 
#2,994 ·
Re: What would make raw more entertaining ?

Less reliance on old faces. We've had HHH, Nash, Rock, Jericho and now Lesnar in the top level feuds since July last year (with a side order of HBK). At least involve the up-and-comers/mid-carders more.

With the exception of Heyman....h'd probably breathe new life in, certainly more so than comatose Lawler.

The WWE Champion should be the main event. Not Cena vs (insert name here).

Less "Moments Ago" replays for the love of God. I was watching it when it happened....I don't need to see Josh Mathews get pulverise by Lesnar for the umpteenth time...or Cena attempt to stare down a camera....or Nash belt HHH with a hammer (that segment was replayed so often week in, week out, I could probably still recite it off by heart.)

And at risk of sounding butthurt...either more time than 30 fucking seconds for the Divas...or don't bother at all.


The good thing about Raw at the moment is at least Cena's out of the WWE title hunt (for now), and there are title defences happening on Raw too which keeps it interesting.
 
#2,995 ·
Re: What would make raw more entertaining ?

A complete overhaul of the format, appearance, presenters etc.

Get rid of 'Nice guy' Jerry Lawler, he offers nothing. Hire Roddy Piper, Jesse V, Paul E or Kevin Nash to be color commentator.

Fire Cole and replace him with some new pbp guy.

Change the RAW logo, the set, the look of the ring etc. Lame white ropes are lame.

Give guys more variety in terms of how they are dressed. Too many guys just come out with their merch shirt on and short tights, it looks ridiculous.

Give the more competent guys freedom to say what they want. (CM Punk especially)

Get rid of Johnny Ace, the guy is so mediocre it's painful. This is meant to be the authority figure on par with Vince?

Book more matches between lower/mid card guys and main eventers so the lower guys get a chance to learn more and develop.
 
#3,002 ·
Re: What would make raw more entertaining ?

Vince McMahon hiring someone like Chris Kreski again. Someone with actual vision, patience, intelligence and originality, to overhead creative. And Vince McMahon not being such a fucking mental case who micromanages everything and makes so much of the product so much more sterile and lackluster than it should be.

That would necessarily include

Actual storylines for the midcard
Actual semblance of a midcard
Progression of character arcs from one week to the next, one month to the next, etceteras
Consequences
Patient pushes, not the bumrushed crap we've endured...
Intricate plotting of storylines... treat us like we have brains
Putting a dramatically higher emphasis on the quality of the product over backstage politics
Treating everyone like they matter, obviously to varying degrees, but nevertheless

Etceteras, etceteras.
 
#3,008 ·
I don't like Punk but i don't think he is the one to blame for the low Ratings .. the product overall suck and WWE is the only thing to blame here.
 
#3,009 ·
Whilst i tend to agree to a point in what your saying i can remember back a couple of years ago that John Cena was getting a lot of hate because ratings were slightly down on what they had been and was apparently the sole reason for this because he was the WWE champion and in the main event at the time. On that basis then the same has to be applied to CM Punk who whilst being The IWC darling is also WWE champion, working the main event on Raw and with no John Cena on screen CM Punk was the main focus of the show.

As everyone knows i'm a mark for CM Punk and have been since his ECW days whilst also having been a big fan since his heel ROH days but the fact it that when he is working the main event or is the main focus of Raw they lose ratings. Now i'm not someone who really cares about ratings as they don't affect my personal viewing pleasure but WWE management seem to care and the reality is that despite CM Punk arguably being the best all round in ring performer in WWE and one of the most popular doesn't draw ratings and that is why he won't ever be fully pushed ahead of John Cena.
 
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