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**The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
For a list of the weekly rating dating back to January, please click here:

http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2012-tv-ratings/

RATINGS BREAKDOWN FOR THIS WEEKS RAW 4/9

Raw on 4/9 did a 3.10 rating and 4.29 million viewers. The show was third for the night on cable. The show did a 2.4 in Males 12-17, 2.7 in Males 18-49, 1.0 in Girls 12-17 and 1.1 in Women 18-49 with a 69.3% male skew. It was down 21% from the 5.46 million viewers of the week after Mania show last year, and last year there was no bombshell along the lines of the Brock Lesnar return on the night after Mania show.

In the segment-by-segment, Brodus Clay & Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger lost 99,000 viewers.

Backstage with Laurinaitis with Miz an Cena, Marella looking for the Three Stooges and R-Truth vs. Cody Rhodes gained 255,000 viewers.

Lord Tensai vs. Yoshi Tatsu lost 415,000 viewers.

The mic work between C.M. Punk and Chris Jericho in the top of the hour segment gained 379,000 viewers to a 3.19.

Punk vs. Henry and the post-match with Jericho pouring beer all over Punk, as well as the quick Del Rio vs. Ryder match lost 169,000 viewers.

The Three Stooges in-ring segment lost 240,000 viewers and was the low point of the show at 2.90.

The Brock Lesnar interview gained 423,000 viewers.

And the Cena vs. Otunga match with Lesnar run-in gained 301,000 viewers, which is a very weak overrun number, finishing at 3.42.
 
#2,276 ·
UFC audience don't even watch their own TV shows just buy the PPV's so I doubt many of them were gonna cross over

Lesnar was never a big draw + he worked Smackdown so even the WWE audience he can attract back that wants to watch him is not that big

PPV should be interesting though. Might do about 300k
 
#2,299 ·
Top ten highest buy rates in UFC history.....

Position Date Event Buyrate
1 7/11/2009 UFC 100: Lesnar vs. Mir 2 1,600,000
2 7/3/2010 UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin 1,160,000
3 12/30/2006 UFC 66: Liddell vs. Ortiz 2 1,050,000
4 5/29/2010 UFC 114: Rampage vs. Evans 1,050,000
5 10/23/2010 UFC 121: Lesnar vs. Velasquez 1,050,000
6 11/15/2008 UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar 1,010,000
7 12/27/2008 UFC 92: The Ultimate 2008 1,000,000
8 1/31/2009 UFC 94: St-Pierre vs. Penn 2 920,000
9 8/8/2009 UFC 101: Declaration 850,000
10 3/27/2010 UFC 111: St-Pierre vs. Hardy 850,000


Ethered....
 
#2,301 ·
Top ten highest buy rates in UFC history.....

Position Date Event Buyrate
1 7/11/2009 UFC 100: Lesnar vs. Mir 2 1,600,000
2 7/3/2010 UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin 1,160,000
3 12/30/2006 UFC 66: Liddell vs. Ortiz 2 1,050,000
4 5/29/2010 UFC 114: Rampage vs. Evans 1,050,000
5 10/23/2010 UFC 121: Lesnar vs. Velasquez 1,050,000
6 11/15/2008 UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar 1,010,000
7 12/27/2008 UFC 92: The Ultimate 2008 1,000,000
8 1/31/2009 UFC 94: St-Pierre vs. Penn 2 920,000
9 8/8/2009 UFC 101: Declaration 850,000
10 3/27/2010 UFC 111: St-Pierre vs. Hardy 850,000


Ethered....
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE UFC IS ABOUT.
 
#2,369 · (Edited by Moderator)
Segment Breakdown
Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Raw on 4/9 did a 3.10 rating and 4.29 million viewers. The show was third for the night on cable. The show did a 2.4 in Males 12-17, 2.7 in Males 18-49, 1.0 in Girls 12-17 and 1.1 in Women 18-49 with a 69.3% male skew. It was down 21% from the 5.46 million viewers of the week after Mania show last year, and last year there was no bombshell along the lines of the Brock Lesnar return on the night after Mania show.

In the segment-by-segment, Brodus Clay & Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger lost 99,000 viewers.

Backstage with Laurinaitis with Miz an Cena, Marella looking for the Three Stooges and R-Truth vs. Cody Rhodes gained 255,000 viewers.

Lord Tensai vs. Yoshi Tatsu lost 415,000 viewers.

The mic work between C.M. Punk and Chris Jericho in the top of the hour segment gained 379,000 viewers to a 3.19.

Punk vs. Henry and the post-match with Jericho pouring beer all over Punk, as well as the quick Del Rio vs. Ryder match lost 169,000 viewers.

The Three Stooges in-ring segment lost 240,000 viewers and was the low point of the show at 2.90.

The Brock Lesnar interview gained 423,000 viewers.

And the Cena vs. Otunga match with Lesnar run-in gained 301,000 viewers, which is a very weak overrun number, finishing at 3.42.
 
#2,460 ·
Yes, it is one of the logical reasons ratings and viewership #s are down but don't try and bring any logical arguments here they will be laughed at and there will be stupid excuses mae up for why it doesn't apply to WWE programming.

Plus we all know its Punk's fault
 
#2,556 ·
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

daniel bryan and punk and ryder cant draw for shit, this is why wwe took the title of bryan and they will soon with punk
 
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#2,740 · (Edited)
LOL @ Bryan not beeing over. The GOAT, one of the greatest guys in the business, the guy who singlehandedly made SD relevant, leading into the biggest Ratings since the Mark Henry Era with the worst roster in history, the guy that joined RAW and instantly got put into a World Title with CM Punk and made the Lesnar/Cena fiasco irrelevant because of his presence alone. A true icon, the Anti-Cena getting "Let's Go Bryan" chants from the intelligent audience while getting booed by the kiddies and fat women, even when not beeing tagged in because of his megastar charisma and Mr.Olympia like build that made him go over the fattest guys in WWE history in Big Show and Mark Henry in the same night in a cage match clean due to his size advantage. The only guy where attempting to bury him makes him get over even more because fans don't care about unrealistic match results knowing the guy trained with Randy Couture and could tap out the whole arena if he wanted to. He's so over that you could hit the mute button and would STILL hear his reactions.

 
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#2,762 ·
@Gillbergreturns

Most of us know that, but the point is that Rock316ae is an Orton fan and dislikes most of the roster. When someone he doesn't like doesn't draw ratings in a segment he puts all the blame on them and uses this to justify his dislike for said wrestler, all the while ignoring other factors.

TBH, if Orton's segment had drawn better or if he was left off the show, Rock316ae would probably go in a bit hard on Bryan. But since Orton's segment didn't do well, he'll probably ease up a little because most arguments that can be used to defend Orton can be used to defend Bryan as well.
 
#2,801 · (Edited)
A-C-P, Wrong. All you're trying to "prove" in any post here is what I would say about A wrestler in B situation on C timeslot. There's exceptions to every accident, this is the case. please give me the last time the top of the hour quarter was 95% filler and my post where I said something about the wrestler there and I will agree with you. I don't think you can do it because it never happened in the period where you check the breakdown every week. Like I said Orton/Swagger was a short match between two segments and had no effect on Q6. I don't know what you learned here, but I know you're a reasonable poster unlike so many clueless posters in this thread and understands something so simple like that when you don't try to be sarcastic and desperately trying to break any logical point.

Just for the record, Orton is not the biggest TV draw in the company today, he's the second biggest full time name in the industry but not the biggest TV draw or the biggest draw overall, that's not my point, he was in 2009 and he can easily be again but currently it's Cena with no competition, Henry is the second biggest.
 
#2,802 ·
^ I'll definitely give you the 10PM timeslot from this past Raw b/c I agree totally with you on that and have no idea why the WWE thought what they put in that 15 minutes was a good idea. The rest I guess we should just chalk up to a disagreement.
 
#2,942 ·
Re: What would make raw more entertaining ?

Less big and slow wrestlers e.g. big slow khali , less John Cena,less squash matches, less stupid childish gimmicks (e.g. funkosaurus) more younger talented wrestlers and more actual wrestling!
Someone noted this episode only had 28 minutes of actual wrestling in it. And the wrestling that was shown wasn't of a particularly high quality.
 
#2,943 ·
Re: What would make raw more entertaining ?

Less big and slow wrestlers e.g. big slow khali , less John Cena,less squash matches, less stupid childish gimmicks (e.g. funkosaurus) more younger talented wrestlers and more actual wrestling!
Someone noted this episode only had 28 minutes of actual wrestling in it. And the wrestling that was shown wasn't of a particularly high quality.
For the majority of fans, that means more snoozefest.
 
#2,976 · (Edited)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Wrestling Observer Newsletter

- As noted before, the May 7th WWE RAW Supershow from Greensboro, North Carolina scored a 3.01 cable rating with 4.30 million viewers. The first quarter-rating was a 3.50 but things fell apart from there.
In the segment breakdown, Big Show vs. Cody Rhodes lost 378,000 viewers and Kofi Kingston vs. Dolph Ziggler lost 465,000 more viewers. Kelly Kelly and Layla vs. Maxine and Natalya lost another 207,000 viewers. Sheamus and Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho and Alberto Del Rio at the top of the hour gained 191,000 viewers, which is weak for that timeslot - doing a 2.89 quarter-rating.

The Miz vs. Brodus Clay gained 55,000 viewers in what is usually a losing segment. Paul Heyman's return gained 123,000 viewers. CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan and Lord Tensai in the overrun actually lost viewers - 105,000 for a 2.94 rating. It's almost impossible to lose viewers in the overrun because you've got people tuning into the USA Network for their next show.
FIRST OVERRUN TO LOSE VIEWERS IN HISTORY:(
 
#2,977 ·
FIRST OVERRUN TO LOSE VIEWERS IN HISTORY:(

2008
6/9
Then, in the scary stat of the night, HHH vs. Jeff Hardy with Cena at ringside, plus the $250,000 giveaway lost 222,000 viewers. I can’t even remember the last time a Raw main event lost viewers in the overrun, or the last time the main event did a 2.99 rating.
6/16
The absolute shocker was the HHH vs. Jericho main event lost 205,000 viewers to a 3.13 overrun. The main event almost never goes down, let alone a match that hasn’t been done in years like that and I can’t give an explanation as to why.
:hhh
 
#3,102 ·
Except Cena had the crowd in his favor in 2003 against the top face Brock Lesnar as a heel. The whole Survivor Series tag match in 03 was for Cena's face turn. Cena was the most over guy in 2004. Cena sold the most merchandise in 2004. All of this against mid-carders like Rene Dupree.

Cena was and is still a huge name in the WWE.
 
#3,167 ·
Kofi Kingston vs. CM Punk lost 97,000 viewers from the opener while Kelly Kelly vs. Brie Bella and Kharma's appearance gained 333,000 viewers. There seems to be a trend of Diva segments doing well in the ratings since Kharma's arrival.

Alberto Del Rio vs. Rey Mysterio gained 1,500 viewers, which isn't good for the 10pm timeslot. Jerry Lawler and Michael Cole's contract signing lost 70,000 viewers while Kane & Big Show vs. Nexus lost 165,000 more viewers.

The main event of John Cena vs. Jack Swagger and The Miz's post-match attack gained 560,000 viewers, bringing the overrun to a 3.40. This less than usual for RAW's overruns.
 
#3,169 ·
1,500 viewers. :lmao

That's priceless.

The problem with WWE booking is that they don't know what to do and are confused. Take the build-up for Survivor Series last year which had disappointing buyrates. They let Cena take out The Miz and R-Truth on his own even though the storyline being build was that they are too much for him to handle on his own and that's why he was seeking The Rock for help. The dirt-sheets reported that the reason for that was because they didn't want Cena to be owned three weeks in a row but that's completely senseless. Cena was destroyed by Miz four weeks in a row on the road to WM27 and it made fans who buy into the face/heel thing more eager for WM27 to see Cena get his revenge on Miz (which he didn't but that's another story). That's also good example on how you build the good vs bad story which WWE are in love with today. One minute they cater towards the 'smarks' then another they ruin their long-term booking to keep the kids happy for a week.
 
#3,186 ·
I see no point for all the debating of the ratings at this point to be honest its pretty simple WWE has best talent filled roster and development line since the start of the Cena/Batista Era and they got the likes of the Rock and Lesnar as attractions and if anyone says they don't think the rosters whatever. All the WWE needs to do is to put on consistent storylines through out each area of the card to keep the fan's intrested and the idea that the young stars these days lack the fire the old stars and are happy with the pay check as far as I am concerned is stupid how the WWE has treated some of the young talent the past couple of years is answer enough why most of the young talent (Swagger, Ziggler, Kofi, Bourne (Fucked up himself), Drew Mcintyre and this past year poor Zack Ryder who could be right now the solid mid card attraction but of course WWE buried him for Cena.) have lost that fire its now the companys responsibility to relight that fire under their asses and give them what they want which is somthing to work and use them properly.
 
#3,214 ·
Gains and losses total for this year.
Just added the gains and then subtracted the losses.

THIS IS NOT ACCURATE MAKES ZERO SENSE DONT GET BUTTHURT DID IT FOR THE LULZ

Cena = Gained 5,429,000
Ace = Gained 5,004,000
Undertaker = Gained 4,657,000
HHH = Gained 3,788,000
Kane = Gained 2,870,000
Lesnar = Gained 2,802,000
Jericho = Gained 2,710,000
Rock = Gained 2,425,000
Shawn = Gained 2,256,000
Henry = Gained 1,524,000
Khali = Gained 1,227,000
Barret = Gained 1,107,000
Punk = Gained 986,000
Show = Gained 899,000
Orton = Gained 640,000
Otunga = Gained 630,000
Tensai = Gained 374,000
ADR= Lost 80,000
Rhodes = Lost 279,000
Rtruth = Lost 677,000
Epico = Lost 711,000
Miz = Lost 720,000
Primo = Lost 815,000
Ryder = Lost 878,000
Brodus = Lost 957,000
Sheamus = Lost 1,028,000
Ziggler = Lost 1,189,000
Santino = Lost 1,436,000
Kofi = Lost 1,819,000
Swagger = Lost 2,792,000
Bryan = Lost 3,081,000
 
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